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Not sure if this is topicworthy, but haven't seen a thread about this recently, and the elections are up and coming.
What do you think about the above statement?
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BNP are 'Nazi thugs' - Cameron
David Cameron has launched a scathing attack on the British National Party, calling them "Nazi thugs" and a "bunch of fascists".
The Tory leader admitted that many people will be angry at the main two parties over the MPs' expenses scandal, but urged them not to react by voting for the BNP.
Fielding questions from the public at an agricultural show, he said: "If you vote for the BNP you are voting for a bunch of fascists who want to divide this country over the issues of race and the colour of skin."
His response turned to anger when a member of the audience at the Bath and West Show in Shepton Mallet, Somerset, argued that the BNP "have a point when it comes to immigration".
Cameron told him: "Go and have a look at what the BNP have said. Do not be naive about what these people stand for.
"They dress up in a suit and knock on your door in a nice way but they are still Nazi thugs".
He told the audience: "There is a proper national debate that we should have about immigration. I want us to limit the number of people coming to Britain, but do not believe that the way to beat the BNP is to half agree with them.
"These people are not pleasant people."
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20090527/...n-dba1618.htmlBNP are 'Nazi thugs' - Cameron
David Cameron has launched a scathing attack on the British National Party, calling them "Nazi thugs" and a "bunch of fascists".
The Tory leader admitted that many people will be angry at the main two parties over the MPs' expenses scandal, but urged them not to react by voting for the BNP.
Fielding questions from the public at an agricultural show, he said: "If you vote for the BNP you are voting for a bunch of fascists who want to divide this country over the issues of race and the colour of skin."
His response turned to anger when a member of the audience at the Bath and West Show in Shepton Mallet, Somerset, argued that the BNP "have a point when it comes to immigration".
Cameron told him: "Go and have a look at what the BNP have said. Do not be naive about what these people stand for.
"They dress up in a suit and knock on your door in a nice way but they are still Nazi thugs".
He told the audience: "There is a proper national debate that we should have about immigration. I want us to limit the number of people coming to Britain, but do not believe that the way to beat the BNP is to half agree with them.
"These people are not pleasant people."
What do you think about the above statement?
All "national" parties are just a bunch of businessignificant-others who want to artifically achieve prosperity by eliminating foreign competition through protectionism. They are also the first to spread buzzwords around. "National" parties nowadays have lost their original ideology. You can't have a national party in your national state. You can have one, but that one excludes the other.
I don't like the BNP. I don't like almost everything they stand for.
But Nazi thugs? That is very sloppy terminology, used to capture the limited imagination of the massess in almost the same way that the drivel the BNP produce is.
I understand why he feels threatened as the conservatives have been caught helping themselves to state funds and, fearing that people vote "alternate right" he's having a pre-emptive swing in that direction.
But Nazi thugs? That is very sloppy terminology, used to capture the limited imagination of the massess in almost the same way that the drivel the BNP produce is.
I understand why he feels threatened as the conservatives have been caught helping themselves to state funds and, fearing that people vote "alternate right" he's having a pre-emptive swing in that direction.
They aren't Nazi thugs, but there are some very nasty elements in the party.
Such cheap shots from Cameron which are clearly designed to protect his own parties rear will only make the BNP stronger.
Such cheap shots from Cameron which are clearly designed to protect his own parties rear will only make the BNP stronger.
The NSDAP that existed in Germany from 1920-1945 were the Nazis. Nobody else. Oh, there might be few confused skinheads in Illinois and some creepy White-Power militia folks in Montana, but they don't signify. The real Nazis happened, they had their day, and they lost.
The BNP may have fascist tendencies, but they aren't the Nazis. Nobody is, not anymore.
The BNP may have fascist tendencies, but they aren't the Nazis. Nobody is, not anymore.
I wouldn't be too alarmed if I were 'call me Dave'. Most of the people who'd vote for the BNP would have voted Labour anyway. They do have a socialist agenda after all, except with the nastyness of blue eyes good, brown eyes bad.
If they do well in the upcoming elections it's down to Labour. They've neglected their core vote for so long now, I seriously doubt they will ever get it back.
As for are they Nazis? No they're not, they're Nationalists.
If they do well in the upcoming elections it's down to Labour. They've neglected their core vote for so long now, I seriously doubt they will ever get it back.
As for are they Nazis? No they're not, they're Nationalists.
They have the right idea in some area's, shame about the people having it, and why they have it. It is simply a racist party, a gutter too far for me.
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What do you think about the above statement?
As has been pointed out several times so far they are not Nazi thugs so Cameron shouldn't have called them that.What do you think about the above statement?
However if he had just called them neo-nazi thugs , white supremcist scum, holocaust denying idiots, racist filth, pea brained imbeciles, criminal *******...or all of that then he would have been right.
I somewhat agree, but I personally feel the best term to use when talking about the BNP is morons.
That goes for the people who are prepared to vote for them as well.
Way to waste your vote..
That goes for the people who are prepared to vote for them as well.
Way to waste your vote..
Originally Posted by Tribesman:
As has been pointed out several times so far they are not Nazi thugs so Cameron shouldn't have called them that.
However if he had just called them neo-nazi thugs , white supremcist scum, holocaust denying idiots, racist filth, pea brained imbeciles, criminal *******...or all of that then he would have been right.
I thnk most of your other epithets apply, Tribes, but I don't believe they can be called -- as a whole -- criminals, unless of course simply being an ******* qualifies as criminal.As has been pointed out several times so far they are not Nazi thugs so Cameron shouldn't have called them that.
However if he had just called them neo-nazi thugs , white supremcist scum, holocaust denying idiots, racist filth, pea brained imbeciles, criminal *******...or all of that then he would have been right.
Originally Posted by Lemur:
The NSDAP that existed in Germany from 1920-1945 were the Nazis. Nobody else. Oh, there might be few confused skinheads in Illinois and some creepy White-Power militia folks in Montana, but they don't signify. The real Nazis happened, they had their day, and they lost.
The BNP may have fascist tendencies, but they aren't the Nazis. Nobody is, not anymore.
[blues]I hate Illinois Nazis.[/brothers]The NSDAP that existed in Germany from 1920-1945 were the Nazis. Nobody else. Oh, there might be few confused skinheads in Illinois and some creepy White-Power militia folks in Montana, but they don't signify. The real Nazis happened, they had their day, and they lost.
The BNP may have fascist tendencies, but they aren't the Nazis. Nobody is, not anymore.
But if we hate, are we not like Nazis ourselves?
Originally Posted by Vladimir:
[blues]I hate Illinois Nazis.[/brothers]
But if we hate, are we not like Nazis ourselves?
Hate is all too often a self-damaging emotion, so it is best avoided.[blues]I hate Illinois Nazis.[/brothers]
But if we hate, are we not like Nazis ourselves?
However, a hatred for intolerance and racism seems marginally less negative than does a hatred of difference.
i dont know much about the BNP, but what i can understand from this discussion is that they are neo-nazi and the like.
They're not Nazis. They have elements of neo-Nazism for sure, but I don't think that forms their whole ideology. I cannot comment on whether they are thugs or not as I do not know enough about their current exploits, though from what I have read the earlier manifestations of that party certainly contained thugs.
Originally Posted by InsaneApache:
As for are they Nazis? No they're not, they're Nationalists.
I would agree and disagree. They are a manifestation of a single form of nationalism. There is a marked difference between what the BNP preaches and, for example, civic nationalism.As for are they Nazis? No they're not, they're Nationalists.
There's a significant overlap between the nazis and the BNP. But as long as there isn't a modern British equivalent to the Sturmabteilung (the brownshirts) I wouldn't compare the two.
(I voted "somewhat agree")
(I voted "somewhat agree")
Well Kralezic you have a point there , the brownshirts did security at meetings and beat up people they didn't like . Does the BNP have such a "security" organisation
But hey at least the BNPs new security branch is slightly different from their old one , their old one broke away and became C-18 because they didn't like the changes under Griffin.
Now the changes under Griffin were not major, just cosmetic. Like he said to the KKK ......the BNP cannot give out their real message because we wouldn't get elected ...but once we have the power and control the media we can put our policies of white supremacy into practice
BTW did anyone get Ian Hislops take on the new BNP youth camps ?
He reckons it sounds completely unlike the Hitler youth in every aspect
Then again ...."We have to have a body of trained young men capable of defending our organisation."
....Hitler or Griffin?
Though of course these people are patriots really, especially those that ran the youth groups....“The Royals have betrayed their people. When we’re in power they’ll be wiped out and we’ll get some Germans to rule properly.”
But for a real classic to tell the kids....."Hitler will live forever"
But hey at least the BNPs new security branch is slightly different from their old one , their old one broke away and became C-18 because they didn't like the changes under Griffin.
Now the changes under Griffin were not major, just cosmetic. Like he said to the KKK ......the BNP cannot give out their real message because we wouldn't get elected ...but once we have the power and control the media we can put our policies of white supremacy into practice
BTW did anyone get Ian Hislops take on the new BNP youth camps ?
He reckons it sounds completely unlike the Hitler youth in every aspect
Then again ...."We have to have a body of trained young men capable of defending our organisation."
....Hitler or Griffin?
Though of course these people are patriots really, especially those that ran the youth groups....“The Royals have betrayed their people. When we’re in power they’ll be wiped out and we’ll get some Germans to rule properly.”
But for a real classic to tell the kids....."Hitler will live forever"
Originally Posted by Tribesman:
Then again ...."We have to have a body of trained young men capable of defending our organisation."
....Hitler or Griffin?[
Griffin. Am I right?Then again ...."We have to have a body of trained young men capable of defending our organisation."
....Hitler or Griffin?[
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Though of course these people are patriots really, especially those that ran the youth groups....“The Royals have betrayed their people. When we’re in power they’ll be wiped out and we’ll get some Germans to rule properly.”
Though of course these people are patriots really, especially those that ran the youth groups....“The Royals have betrayed their people. When we’re in power they’ll be wiped out and we’ll get some Germans to rule properly.”
Someone didn't pay attention in his British history class. Poor Griffin...he already has Germans, you'd think he'd want British.
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Someone didn't pay attention in his British history class. Poor Griffin...
That last section wasn't Griffin , that was the idiot that ran the youth wing (especially those that ran the youth groups)before he had to step down for being rather silly and praising the use of terrorism and murder in politics without realising that people were actually recording his interview...he now runs the BNPs publicity sectionSomeone didn't pay attention in his British history class. Poor Griffin...
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he already has Germans, you'd think he'd want British.
Ah but don't forget , this is the BNP they are .....he already has Germans, you'd think he'd want British.
So the queen will be OK because she is of northern european stock, but the husband will have to go because he is southern european which makes him a dirty foriegner plus of course all the kids and grandkids will have to leave the country too as they are racially impure.
I'm sure Phil is Danish.
Originally Posted by Kralizec:
There's a significant overlap between the nazis and the BNP. But as long as there isn't a modern British equivalent to the Sturmabteilung (the brownshirts) I wouldn't compare the two.
You mean Combat 18 (18 for A and H from the Alphabet named after an infamous Austrian) which is a the terrorist group wing of the party and they have their very own Youth BNP?There's a significant overlap between the nazis and the BNP. But as long as there isn't a modern British equivalent to the Sturmabteilung (the brownshirts) I wouldn't compare the two.
This is the style of propaganda they use on their children - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhmF6fgeEDc
They are fascists, they are thugs (they all have condemning criminal records), they even have a website full of names and addresses of people seen at anti-racist/anti-fascist/protests which encourage violence towards those people and yes, they actually go and terrorise people. They try to cause race-riots, even bombings, they are generally disgusting people.
There was a documentary which was very good, which was actually done by a Jewish reporter where they interviewed and followed one of the BNP top members, and they exposed all the lies. It is called "Young, Nazi and Proud". http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...26632184074561
Anyone who thinks positively of the BNP really does need to be clued up fast.
I believe they represent a newly-resurgent Fascism for sure, but are they resembling the NAZIs? No, except for the usual Neo-Nazi clap-trap they are bound to spew from time to time.
Originally Posted by Beskar:
They are fascists, they are thugs (they all have condemning criminal records), they even have a website full of names and addresses of people seen at anti-racist/anti-fascist/protests which encourage violence towards those people and yes, they actually go and terrorise people. They try to cause race-riots, even bombings, they are generally disgusting people.
Sums it up. Anti-facists are just as bad though.They are fascists, they are thugs (they all have condemning criminal records), they even have a website full of names and addresses of people seen at anti-racist/anti-fascist/protests which encourage violence towards those people and yes, they actually go and terrorise people. They try to cause race-riots, even bombings, they are generally disgusting people.
They aren't Nazis, obviously.
But, they aren't any better. I'll be thoroughly disappointed if they receive a significant amount of seats in the up coming elections.
Thanks for the links Beskar. Wow, they're even scummier than I ever imagined. Cameron had every right to respond with such outrage.
But, they aren't any better. I'll be thoroughly disappointed if they receive a significant amount of seats in the up coming elections.
Thanks for the links Beskar. Wow, they're even scummier than I ever imagined. Cameron had every right to respond with such outrage.
I voted: I somewhat agree., because to completely agree with the statement is to treat them with blanket disregard, which ignores the vital fact that they survive because they recognise voter issues that mainstream parties pretend do not exist.
If mainstream parties dealt with those 'uncomfortable' issues then the BNP would not receive the political oxygen to exist.
For that reason they are not just "Nazi thugs".
If mainstream parties dealt with those 'uncomfortable' issues then the BNP would not receive the political oxygen to exist.
For that reason they are not just "Nazi thugs".
Originally Posted by rory_20_uk:
I don't like the BNP. I don't like almost everything they stand for.
But Nazi thugs? That is very sloppy terminology, used to capture the limited imagination of the massess in almost the same way that the drivel the BNP produce is.
I understand why he feels threatened as the conservatives have been caught helping themselves to state funds and, fearing that people vote "alternate right" he's having a pre-emptive swing in that direction.
Conservatives seeking an alternative are far more likely to vote UKIP, it is Labour that has the BNP to fear.I don't like the BNP. I don't like almost everything they stand for.
But Nazi thugs? That is very sloppy terminology, used to capture the limited imagination of the massess in almost the same way that the drivel the BNP produce is.
I understand why he feels threatened as the conservatives have been caught helping themselves to state funds and, fearing that people vote "alternate right" he's having a pre-emptive swing in that direction.
Originally Posted by Furunculus:
Conservatives seeking an alternative are far more likely to vote UKIP, it is Labour that has the BNP to fear.
Uh-huh. The NBP aren't rightwing they are racist socialists, or ah well national-socialists. BNP voters are sheeps looking for a sheppard, nono, you were born with a head on your neck learn to use it.Conservatives seeking an alternative are far more likely to vote UKIP, it is Labour that has the BNP to fear.
The BNP? Nazi thugs? Bloody right they are. A thieving, stealing and plundering horde of untrustworthy goons clad in business suits. 
I want my money back!!
Though just why this is any of Cameron's business I don't know.
I want my money back!!
Though just why this is any of Cameron's business I don't know.
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Originally Posted by Tribesman:
Well Kralezic you have a point there , the brownshirts did security at meetings and beat up people they didn't like . Does the BNP have such a "security" organisation
But hey at least the BNPs new security branch is slightly different from their old one , their old one broke away and became C-18 because they didn't like the changes under Griffin.
Now the changes under Griffin were not major, just cosmetic. Like he said to the KKK ......the BNP cannot give out their real message because we wouldn't get elected ...but once we have the power and control the media we can put our policies of white supremacy into practice
BTW did anyone get Ian Hislops take on the new BNP youth camps ?
He reckons it sounds completely unlike the Hitler youth in every aspect
Then again ...."We have to have a body of trained young men capable of defending our organisation."
....Hitler or Griffin?
Though of course these people are patriots really, especially those that ran the youth groups....“The Royals have betrayed their people. When we’re in power they’ll be wiped out and we’ll get some Germans to rule properly.”
But for a real classic to tell the kids....."Hitler will live forever"
Didn't know about that.Well Kralezic you have a point there , the brownshirts did security at meetings and beat up people they didn't like . Does the BNP have such a "security" organisation
But hey at least the BNPs new security branch is slightly different from their old one , their old one broke away and became C-18 because they didn't like the changes under Griffin.
Now the changes under Griffin were not major, just cosmetic. Like he said to the KKK ......the BNP cannot give out their real message because we wouldn't get elected ...but once we have the power and control the media we can put our policies of white supremacy into practice
BTW did anyone get Ian Hislops take on the new BNP youth camps ?
He reckons it sounds completely unlike the Hitler youth in every aspect
Then again ...."We have to have a body of trained young men capable of defending our organisation."
....Hitler or Griffin?
Though of course these people are patriots really, especially those that ran the youth groups....“The Royals have betrayed their people. When we’re in power they’ll be wiped out and we’ll get some Germans to rule properly.”
But for a real classic to tell the kids....."Hitler will live forever"
Is this wannabe SA even remotely comparable in size to the original, though? Do they have quasi-military uniforms like the originals? Do they habitually break up meetings of other parties, etc.?
Originally Posted by Fragony:
Uh-huh. The NBP aren't rightwing they are racist socialists, or ah well national-socialists. BNP voters are sheeps looking for a sheppard, nono, you were born with a head on your neck learn to use it.
I love the fact that whenever a fascist/extreme right wing demonstration is announced, enough anti-fascists turn out available to do a counterdemonstration several times its size. Most of these people really ought to get jobs Uh-huh. The NBP aren't rightwing they are racist socialists, or ah well national-socialists. BNP voters are sheeps looking for a sheppard, nono, you were born with a head on your neck learn to use it.
Burn the lot of 'em.
And offer some cheese for their voters whine....
And offer some cheese for their voters whine....
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