The weakest argument for gun ownership in the USA

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

That is one aspect of it . Since the Americans relied on French weapon supplies French money French troops the French navy French political power and prettty much all things French .
Well , apart from the Northwestern campaigh which was reliant on Spanish support .

I'm not denying that the French (and Dutch and Spanish) contributed heavily to the colonial cause. What you're ignoring is there wouldn't have been any support if the local militias had been crushed early on. It wasn't until 1777 after the Saratoga campaign that the French openly backed the colonials, and that's two years of fighting, much of it done with American militia armed with personal weapons.

[Reverend Joe]

I'm not denying that the French (and Dutch and Spanish) contributed heavily to the colonial cause. What you're ignoring is there wouldn't have been any support if the local militias had been crushed early on. It wasn't until 1777 after the Saratoga campaign that the French openly backed the colonials, and that's two years of fighting, much of it done with American militia armed with personal weapons.

Give no quarter to the Tribescoat!

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I really shouldn't be drunk at 5 in the afternoon.

[Meneldil]

As a sidenote, France sent 10000 regulars in America, which accounts for more or less half of the total amount of professional soldiers on the US' side.

That, and the whole fleet, which was for once kind of successful at fighting the British navy (must have been the first and last time since the 14th century).

Anyway, had Great Britain decided to commit all of its force to the fight, the war of independance would have been lost, with or without France, Spain and Holland help.
15.000 british soldiers and 30.000 mercenaries were sent in America, while Britain could easily have fielded 5 times this number.

[Tribesman]

I'm not denying that the French (and Dutch and Spanish) contributed heavily to the colonial cause

Some people are, indeed Revered Joe seem to be thouroughly clueless about the revolutionary war

What you're ignoring is there wouldn't have been any support if the local militias had been crushed early on.

But the support was there from the start, thats the whole point.

It wasn't until 1777 after the Saratoga campaign that the French openly backed the colonials

What is the key word there ?

So since most people seem to have forgotten where this started....

Whereas this nation was founded by throwing off the tyranny of a nation (in fact, the nation with the greatest military power in the world at the time) by citizens with guns.

That statement is bollox . Britain was not the greatest mititary power in the world asit was thoroughly screwed Navy wise as a result of the seven years war and Army wise as a result of the ongoing conflicts in India . The citizens with guns can have achieved bugger all without the support of global superpowers which they got right from the very start of the conflict.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Ah, and we are reminded why tribesy so infrequently actually posts an argument:

That statement is bollox . Britain was not the greatest mititary power in the world asit was thoroughly screwed Navy wise as a result of the seven years war and Army wise as a result of the ongoing conflicts in India . The citizens with guns can have achieved bugger all without the support of global superpowers which they got right from the very start of the conflict.

Gee, I suppose the nations on the losing side of the seven years war came out of it significantly better than the winners. I suppose it was those other nations that prevented the British troops in some coastal cities from marching out and dominating the countryside of the colonies, and not armed Americans.

Posting scads of smilies in reply to anything you disagree with doesn't make you right, no matter how hard you believe. Now, various people have posted arguments and reasons supporting our argument. That's about the longest stretch of anything resembling an argument you've posted here, and it seems based just on your beliefs and your unceasing need to disagree with me.

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[LittleGrizzly]

I've posted that link before. Your criminals can get guns. Why they do or don't has, obviously, little or nothing to do with your gun laws. And you could get one just as easily if you spent a little bit of time looking.

Yes becuase we have huge numbers of gun crimes.... no wait a second... almost had me...

All the drug dealers you claim to know of could probably recommend someone to you if you bothered to ask.

Earth to EMFM don't believe everything you see about drug dealers in hollywood, real lifes a little different.

You know, some women do. You know, women who actually want to defend themselves. Women who don't share your often laughable and sometimes disturbing phobia of firearms.


You know, some women don't. You know, women who don't want almost anyone getting thier hands on guns. Women who don't share your always hysterical and mostly disturbing love of firearms.

I don't know if you noticed the really important part of my sentence If women everywhere were crying out for guns your link doesn't seem to disprove that so im still fairly happy with that point i made

Well thanks for the abuse anyway... always feel charitable coming down to someone elses level...

[Tribesman]

Gee, I suppose the nations on the losing side of the seven years war came out of it significantly better than the winners.

Gee I suppose the winners in the Revlutionary war came out better too ...oh sorry they came out bankrupt didn't they .

So Rabbit what did Britain win in the seven years war?
Oh they won the wonderful prize of errrrr.....more very expensive wars to fight didn't they.