Strategos Total War

[Old_King_Coal]

I do hope that eventually I will have a small team to help make this, and I have encountered a mod simply based off of Greece. I very much want to do this even if it takes years. I have always been an ambitious modder, in Age of Mythology with my brother I am working on a mod that completely changes the old game. So I will get this done eventually, never fear!

PS, I do have Syracuse

[Ghaust the Moor]

I can help if you'd like.

[Old_King_Coal]

oh great! what can u do?

[Ghaust the Moor]

Most stuff exept skinning and modeling (I have no method of doing such). I am currently learning how to map. So far, mapping is alot of fun

[Old_King_Coal]

ok I haven't heard batck from Foot lately, does anybody know if he's gone on vacation or something?

[Aemilius Paulus]

ok I haven't heard batck from Foot lately, does anybody know if he's gone on vacation or something?

No, he simply enjoys ignoring people


Actually, it probably has more to do with him discussing internally whether to grant the permission as well as him being busy with EBII. In any case, you should have Private-Messaged him, not Visitor-Messaged.

[Ghaust the Moor]

Do you have a map yet? If not, I can make it if you want.

[Old_King_Coal]

I don't have a map yet no, so I would appreciate it if you would make it. Just please make it to a bigger scale than what is in the original rtw, greece needs to have a lot of cities and settlements, same with Italy. It's a big project though, I hope you are up to it?

@ aemilius, I did private message him, haven't heard back tho

[Maion Maroneios]

Maybe you could create a Social Group dedicated to the creation of this mod? This could help you organize your work a lot.

Maion

[Ghaust the Moor]

So the map streches from sicily to the west of asia minor right? I you can, please send me a cropped map image of what you want. How far north/south does it go? You can pm me if you want.

[Old_King_Coal]

ok Ghaust the map should look something like this:

It's from google maps so the settlements won't be quite accurate, I can probably help a bit with that but it will take a large amount of research to get it as accurate as possible.

well, good luck with the map!

[Maion Maroneios]

OK, so you're going to represent the Rise of Rome as well? And what about the Persian invasion of Greece and its downfall?

Man, I don't want to put you down but I have to say this: This is going to FAIL. And miserably too. The time span is way too big to be able to represent everything. You can try, but you will fail I give my left hand for that. The RTW engine has just too many limitations. Try a shorter time period, and focus one a single even instead of so many as your mod will have to include.

Maion

[Celtic_Punk]

I say you focus on either the Persian invaison of greece or on the pelopenesian wars. I'd REALLY like to see the latter, mostly because due to limitations of the RTW engine the persian advance would be retarded and I myself would lose interest when I wait for years at Thermoplyae for no battle to ever occur.

Dont let this thing die. You just need to narrow your perspective. RTW has many limitations, you need to work within these boundries and balance what you want with what is realistic and if you keep historical, You'll have at least me and Maion playing

[Old_King_Coal]

ok ya I can see that the way I'm going right now I'll spend way too much time on it and get nothing to show for it so, I'll change the plan for the project.

Rather than having it go from 500 BCE to 200 BCE including the Macedonian invasion of Persia I'll just have it go from 500 to 350 BCE ending around the time of the battle of Chaeronea.

This will remove much of the difficulty of it being impossible to have the splitting up of the macedonian faction into Seleucids Antigonids and Ptolemys but still including all the excitement of Classical age greece.

I still plan to include rome and Carthage because Carthage was often times trying to conquer Sicily, since Syracuse is included it will be important to include the Carthaginians. I also feel that Rome should stay since Tarentum is included and in order to include places like Illyria and Thrace the map needs all of Italy to be there.

I will be happy to take any suggestions to make this mod work better.

[option]

I was actually about to suggest a timespan very similar to that. You have a LOT of material to work with in those 150 years (hell, you could probably do a whole mod around the Peloponnesian War itself if you wanted to).

What factions are you going to include? You would need multiple Macedonian factions, IIRC the various tribes weren't united until Philip II came around.

[Old_King_Coal]

well since this is done mainly for BI I have had to limit what I can include. A lot of minor factions are going to be represented by rebels, for the simple reason that the space just isn't there to include more factions.

Here is a list of the planned factions:
The Illyrian tribes
The Dacian Tribes
Sparta
Syracuse
Boeoetian League
Argos
Macedon
Corinth
Achamaenid Empire
Samos
The Thracian Tribes
Athens
The Galatian Tribes
Chalkis
Scythia
Etruscans
Rome
Carthage
Tarentum
Epiros

Most of this list is flexible and I will happily take suggestions.

PS. would anybody be willing to help me put a website together to help preview this mod? Kinda like the one Europa Barborum has (only not as detailed) so that I can upload new stuff and the public can see it. Can anybody help with the process of making a site?

[Ghaust the Moor]

You can go to webs.com and make a free one for now. You can always make a fancy one later on.

[Ghaust the Moor]

Also, I want to suggest the Basilion Bosporou (Spelling?) A.K.A Kingdom of the Bosporas, or Bosporan Kingdom. I don't know which it is.

[Old_King_Coal]

Thank for the tip Ghaust I'll look into it. I also really want to include Samos Island as a kind of emerging faction after a few years. I plan to have it as an army that comes up near the major settlement (held by Persia) and try to take it. I just feel that this would be very interesting and a good challenge for anybody who likes a bit of rebellion.

Oh and PS. I started a site at wps.com, there's not much there yet and I'll add more later but here's the link: http://foozle.webs.com/

PPS. the contact me thing dosen't work yet (I think) I'll get that going soon enough

[Ghaust the Moor]

You should edit the text on the site. It is hard to read.

edit: oh never mind. It hadn't loaded the back yet. Sorry

[Old_King_Coal]

hm, so the site is OK?

[Ghaust the Moor]

Yeah, its good. Does the contact thing work now?

[Old_King_Coal]

I'm not sure actually, I can't change it so I guess it might already know, could u test it out and see if it does work?

[Ghaust the Moor]

I sent you a message via contact, tell me if you got it.

[Old_King_Coal]

Ok it worked perfectl, thanks for doing it!

And to help bring more interest into the mod I put a thing on youtube so check it out!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O18fB1PE_bo

[Maion Maroneios]

I believe some touches could be applied. For example, the fighting system should be reworked and tested to effectively represent the very few casualties of Greek hoplite battles and, secondly, the phalanx warfare in its own. Heck, I am even motivated to help with this. I could work on unit descriptions, and modify/test the battle system. What do you say?

Also, I suggest you cover the Peloponnesian War mostly. Did you say this will be on BI? Because oif it is, we have some interesting formations as a plus, not to mention emerging, re-emerging and "shadow" factions.

EDIT: I forgot to mention I can also contribute to everything Greek-related (like unit and city names) in the game.

Maion

[Old_King_Coal]

Thanks Maion any help you can give would be marvelous, just sign up on the site and notify me on whatever files you can help edit.

I think we may be able to achieve the few casualties thing by having absolutely wicked armor stats but normal attack stats, they would also be very expensive so that large greek armies are rare, what do you think?

[Maion Maroneios]

I have several ideas of implementing this. Good armour, but weak attack and spear lethality. Also, I can try and tweak AI formations by making them have all hoplites in guard formation. This way, we can represent the "phalanx". Another idea would be the 0.2 radius, but I am against it since it makes the units very strong.

Also, you didn't answer my question. Will this mod use the BI executable?

Maion

[Old_King_Coal]

this is intended for BI yes ut it should be compatible with the original version, how aout I let u play around with the export descr_unit stuff to figure something out?

[Maion Maroneios]

I'd have to have everything in my possession to work with the files. This includes the units as well, for I won't be able to run any test battles otherwise.

And if this will use the BI executable, there are some nice things we can do with the additional features like hoarding, re-emerging and emerging factions, shadow and shadowed factions, as well as the loyalty and religions system. So many ideas, it just needs people with determination and time to test all this.

Also, what about focusing more on Greece herself instead of including so much of the west and east? This way, you will have lot less to worry about when it comes to unit diversity and research that has to be done for each included faction. You could, for example, move the map more to the east and exclude the Romans since the Wars of Rome over dominance of Italy will have to be implemented as well.

Maion