TWC or the Org?

[Ser Clegane]

so if anything, i might actually do what im accused of and make some alts just to piss off the idiotic mods at TWC. you can count on it.

Or you could actually - and I know this might be a very novel and out-of-the-box-thinking idea - behave friendly and in a mature way.
Believe me - it's simply amazing how that helps not to get banned anywhere.

But perhaps I am just talking crazy now...

[Quirinus]

Admittedly I have not hung around the non-TW areas of the TWC much, but based on my time in the RTR and XGM mod subforums, the community there seems pretty cool. Sure there are some scrapes from time to time but as a whole I felt the atmosphere to be very amiable.

Nowadays I am more active in TWC because the Coliseum is pretty slow what with ETW coming out, but I like both just fine. If either of them were to go down I would be very sad.

[Jolt]

But I must say that from the couple of "cases" I bothered to read, moderators responded to their resident troublemakers civilised, with respect and as friendly as possible (not always easy when people just insult you by calling you "noob" or "incredibly stupid")

Andres 15 4 n44b. I pwnz he 1n 3v3ry g4me l0lz0r.

In any case, I came to the org due to EB and I got hooked one day when foot pointed to the Backroom. Afterwards, I settled in.

[Prussian to the Iron]

Admittedly I have not hung around the non-TW areas of the TWC much, but based on my time in the RTR and XGM mod subforums, the community there seems pretty cool. Sure there are some scrapes from time to time but as a whole I felt the atmosphere to be very amiable.

Nowadays I am more active in TWC because the Coliseum is pretty slow what with ETW coming out, but I like both just fine. If either of them were to go down I would be very sad.

for some reason the mod forums(like EB, third age total war) are much more friendly and intelligent than the rest of the site.......

Or you could actually - and I know this might be a very novel and out-of-the-box-thinking idea - behave friendly and in a mature way.
Believe me - it's simply amazing how that helps not to get banned anywhere.

But perhaps I am just talking crazy now...

or you coul actually- and this might be a new idea to you- try going there and getting your ass handed to you for the smallest and least important things.

you could be the most conservative polite person ever and get banned there. ive seen some of the best members there get banned for nothing.



by this time i have no hop of getting un-banned there, and honestly dont give a damn. ill prefer annoyin the hell out of them in an all-out guerilla warfare!

[Kamos]

You were nothing but a belligerent spammer during your stay at TWC John, I recall very well some of your massed agressive posts. You deserved everything you got while you were there, though it's good to see you've calmed down some.

[Fixiwee]

The org is the home of EB, therefore I prefer it to TWC. I do like TWC though, there is a nice AAR community there.

I don't really visit either of the two pleases because both communities are a bit too silly with the member<->mod relationship.
But I agree, the TWC has a superior AAR community.

[Prussian to the Iron]

You were nothing but a belligerent spammer during your stay at TWC John, I recall very well some of your massed agressive posts.

examples?

anything said was provoked by idiotic 9 year olds who should be banned permanently. i did not spam, and their idea of spam is far off. instagibbed is spam. well thought out posts, whether long or not, is not spam. nor was i agressive despite your claims.

[Kamos]

examples?

anything said was provoked by idiotic 9 year olds who should be banned permanently. i did not spam, and their idea of spam is far off. instagibbed is spam. well thought out posts, whether long or not, is not spam. nor was i agressive despite your claims.

Your appeals alone were aggressive enough and done in a poor disrespectful manner. Your behavior in your appeals was hardly anything new as it was that behavior that got you in trouble in the first place. Mostly your posts generally consisted of one-to-two sentences containing poor punctuation and l33t speak with very little useful content. They were hardly 'well thought out' or constructive.

[Andres]

I would like to remind everyone that, no matter what happened at the TWC, Org rules apply when posting at the Org.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I would like to remind everyone that, no matter what happened at the TWC, Org rules apply when posting at the Org.

*dancing lock smiley would go here if smilies worked currently*

[Caius]

In TWC, they have that lawyeering system that is annoying. Those rules make the site as is.

The .org may fall down several times, be slow and a small forum. But that it is what makes the org what it is. All Hail Orgsoc and Tosa!

In TWC, what is wrong is that they don't have Babe Threads. Seriously.

[alpaca]

A rep system, perhaps, is not necessarily bad. My point was that the way it is assigned reflects the focus of the members of a site.

I think it's probably fair to say that I have built and released more TW mods than probably any other TW modder (I'm willing to be corrected!) but it's rare I ever got any rep for doing so on any release. Rep has largely come from a rare post in the off-topic areas or from some witty remark.

Members do give rep for graphically-rich previews (which is not my style - I like to make a mod fast enough that it does not have or need a preview!) but many of these previews are for mods that are never even released...

I realize, with a prime expertise in coding, it is not such a visible skill and yet coding, debugging and balancing take up an amount of time that vastly exceeds that spent creating the models and textures of previews.

I reckoned I personally spent about 3000 hours on Corsair Invasion (FATW's first module) - add to that the time spent on Forth Eorlingas, The New Shadow, Title of Liberty, Gods & Fighting Men, Multi-Mod Sampler, The Dwarven Blunderbuss, EB 1.0 modfoldering, The New Shadow for RTW, Rome in Middle-earth, Viking Invasion II and - most recently - Dominion of Britannia and it scares me to think how much time I have given to the darn hobby over the last 5 years. Rep points for releasing these mods? I've not worked it out, but I could probably get the same amount in the off-topic area in a week or two if I tried...

It has got better, yes, but the focus of TWC is, imho, not good for TW modding/playing yet. Maybe it will improve still further, but I doubt that will happen unless there is a long, hard look at the nature and purpose of the site and what the structure (inc. rep, patronage, awards and offices) really should represent and credit. My badge at the Org for outstanding modding means a lot more to me than the TWC opifex badge, simply because of the nature of the site's focus and thus the meaning behind such things.

Yep, that's exactly how the rep system works. Interestingly, however, it's a fairly accurate description of the reputation you actually have among the whole of the forum's membership. Most of them won't care who spent how much time on the mod and they probably won't even know your nick - they don't give you rep, either.

However, do you actually care about whether or not they know you? I had disabled reputation for a long time on the TWC because I didn't. I didn't get a lot of reputation while modding M2TW because a lot of what I was doing was writing small tools and tutorials or answer modding questions - tasks that obviously aren't noticed by the vast majority of people because they don't mod.

The reason why I eventually enabled it is because some people (myself included) have taken a stance to include a sensible comment and their nick in the reputation line and if I get repped by another fellow modder who has my respect it actually means something to me - although it means the same to me if that person posts about it on the forums so I wouldn't actually need the reputation system. You'll for example get a hosted mods forum and front page announcements much easier (I guess you and me would get them on cue) if you have this less tangible kind of reputation on your side, whereas your number of rep points doesn't matter there at all.

Anyways, I also don't really appreciate of the whole forum politics, ranks, civitate madness and so on... it's just a load of hot air but some people do seem to care about it and it doesn't actually disturb me so I'm alright with it. Doesn't mean I actively support it though, in retrospect maybe I should have refused to become citizen

[Prussian to the Iron]

Your appeals alone were aggressive enough and done in a poor disrespectful manner. Your behavior in your appeals was hardly anything new as it was that behavior that got you in trouble in the first place. Mostly your posts generally consisted of one-to-two sentences containing poor punctuation and l33t speak with very little useful content. They were hardly 'well thought out' or constructive.

the appeals are aressive as everyone elses are, and for good reason. the 3 mods moderating the appeals are corrupt and horrible, and deserve nothing less than permaban.

and i barely used leet, and mostly used well-constructed sentences. grammar is unimportant ot me on the internet; you can read what i am saying.

[Alexandros_III]

At the TWC I have openly disliked anyone who has joined after March 3rd (I regret it though). I just dont want to be part of that. The reason I stick with TWC is because I found it first.

And the sight of it is better. Everything here is set up with buseness settings and a blueish background. Is there really no way to change that? At TWC the option is at the bottomn of the screen.

[GeneralHankerchief]

And the sight of it is better. Everything here is set up with buseness settings and a blueish background. Is there really no way to change that? At TWC the option is at the bottomn of the screen.

Normally, there is. However, the forum recently went through a hiccup and we're still trying to get everything back to the way it was.

[Alexandros_III]

I didnt really mean this thread to be a full argument or discussion, I just wanted advice on whether to keep my old acount on TWC or to become a noob again and start here. But this is a better argument than I got there.

[Beefy187]

I didnt really mean this thread to be a full argument or discussion, I just wanted advice on whether to keep my old acount on TWC or to become a noob again and start here. But this is a better argument than I got there.

If you are worried about the background theme, like GH said it will get fixed soon as Tosa finds some time to deal with it.

As for starting over here, it really depends on what you want to do.

[A Terribly Harmful Name]

Don't bother with your postcount: go where the interesting discussion is. This way you'll rise fast.

[pevergreen]

Or you could actually - and I know this might be a very novel and out-of-the-box-thinking idea - behave friendly and in a mature way.
Believe me - it's simply amazing how that helps not to get banned anywhere.

But perhaps I am just talking crazy now...

True post, or true-est post?

Memes aside, each forum has its place, and the ones that are flittering between the two (pannonian) tend to be great contributors at both forums.

At any place on the internet you get members who you wish could be more constructive and so forth. I'm one of those to many people.

As for the rep system, its been given a nice view on either side, but I side with the 'its a good idea, but abused in reality.'

Until recently, the org seemed to be more reliable to stay up, but these are baaad times. Luckily, they conincide with my self exile from being online, as I am soooo very close to going over the internet limit (gets refreshed tomorrow )

Apart from that, people tend to form loyalties to their first. This will always be the forum for me, its got the people I know that are good to see whats going on (Strike FTS, CR, GH and so on)

[Bwian]

Personally, I have accounts on both sites and use both.

As a modder, the odding community is far more active on TWc for M2TW, so I end up spending more time there. It's a different feel, but I have never considered the two forums to be mutually exclusive.

For some, there is the need to be 'part of hte club' .... but personally, I am with Marx on this ( Groucho ... not Karl ) and I would never want to join a club that would have me as a member!

You will get nice people on either forum, Trolls on either forum, as well as people who consider their opinion to be the most valid because their voice is the loudest. That, as they say, is life, and it reflects the mix you will get on any forum. Modding forums for specifc mods tend to get a more focused audience, as they all are keen to follow that particular mod...and I think the postings will reflect that interest.

General forums and 'Tavern; type areas will tend to attract a more diverse posting pattern, and more varied characters and opinions. If such things don;t suit, then stay out of that particular kitchen!

As far as moderating goes, I have never been banned form either forum, never been warned, threatened or whatever, so I can't comment on the 'mods' at either forum. I have a moderate amount of Rep over at TWC and Artifex status....which is nice because it is a recognition of effort gained through patronage and vote....and similarly had no problem getting a mod forum here and similar recognition around the modding forums. I feel sorry for DolGuldur and ANY modder working on the unseen essence of a mod, but have been fortunate to specialise in the more visual eye-candy stuff that makes people go 'Ooooh'...rather than the code without which nothing would go at all... but that is true on both boards. The casual fans love hte eye-candy.

Overall, I think there is no harm in having an account on both boards and posting where andwhen you feel comfortable. A third option on the poll for 'both' would have got me voting.Oh yes....and there are more petulant children over at TWC in proportion to its size, but it's easy to ignore them as the buzzing of a pesky fly.

Ultimately, I think whichever board you frequent, the experience you have depends very much on the attitude you bring with you.

[Flavius Merobaudes]

There is. It is called the Backroom.

I'm in here since the stone age, and now I need to be told that there's a backroom. !!!GAH!!!

[pevergreen]

Stone age? We just had our 10th anniversary. Thats the stone age my friend.

[Cute Wolf]

The org is more cleaner than TWC, and the orgah's are friendlier here...

TWC? I only lurks at them to read about some MOD that didn't exist here, but the MOD That exist in this org have deeper point of view...

And I didn't active at TWC because:

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I forgot my TWC account

[Kamos]

the appeals are aressive as everyone elses are, and for good reason. the 3 mods moderating the appeals are corrupt and horrible, and deserve nothing less than permaban.

and i barely used leet, and mostly used well-constructed sentences. grammar is unimportant ot me on the internet; you can read what i am saying.

Calling people lunatics and jackasses are definitely insults despite how fiercely you believed otherwise. They are hardly corrupt and are in fact very nice, formal, and professional. Your cases just never stood a chance from the start as you were appealing something that was clearly against the ToS.

[Prussian to the Iron]

Calling people lunatics and jackasses are definitely insults despite how fiercely you believed otherwise. They are hardly corrupt and are in fact very nice, formal, and professional. Your cases just never stood a chance from the start as you were appealing something that was clearly against the ToS.

but calling someone a jackass in school doesnt even get you suspension! and for that(and it was way far back last year) it was too long.

plus i keep getting re-banned for alt accounts? i dont see the point; even if i had an alt i wouldnt care because i am not going back to that $***-hole except to piss off the epicly-retarded moderators there.(no offense if you are retarded anyone)

yo ucant believe that lunatic is worth over a month of ban do you? you are quite obviously one of the crappy and corrupt moderators there and i refuse to talk to you anymore.

*placed on ignore list*

[Ser Clegane]

but calling someone a jackass in school doesnt even get you suspension! and for that(and it was way far back last year) it was too long.

plus i keep getting re-banned for alt accounts? i dont see the point; even if i had an alt i wouldnt care because i am not going back to that $***-hole except to piss off the epicly-retarded moderators there.(no offense if you are retarded anyone)

yo ucant believe that lunatic is worth over a month of ban do you? you are quite obviously one of the crappy and corrupt moderators there and i refuse to talk to you anymore.

*placed on ignore list*

It would be great if you moved on to other discussions if your only "contributions" in this thread are personal attacks and general trolling (which are, BTW, not considered to be acceptable here either).

[Prussian to the Iron]

It would be great if you moved on to other discussions if your only "contributions" in this thread are personal attacks and general trolling (which are, BTW, not considered to be acceptable here either).

since he is now on m ignore list, im done talking to him and we can move on. sorry about that :)

i dont think it s apersonal attack though......more like a defense and general attack on TWC moderators.

[Kamos]

Oh what a shame I'm now ignored, I was going to point out a few things.

1. I suppose that's a regional thing but in my school (which expects you to have proper manners) saying that would net you a couple days of In School Suspension.
2. It's because you're not supposed to use alts like you did to circumvent suspension.
3. I am not a moderator by any stretch of the imagination, I do disagree with their actions sometimes. It's just most of the time I find their judgement very reasonable.

Ah well.

[Pannonian]

but calling someone a jackass in school doesnt even get you suspension! and for that(and it was way far back last year) it was too long.

plus i keep getting re-banned for alt accounts? i dont see the point; even if i had an alt i wouldnt care because i am not going back to that $***-hole except to piss off the epicly-retarded moderators there.(no offense if you are retarded anyone)

yo ucant believe that lunatic is worth over a month of ban do you? you are quite obviously one of the crappy and corrupt moderators there and i refuse to talk to you anymore.

*placed on ignore list*

If you hate the other site that much, why don't you stop creating alts with which to circumvent your suspension? You know how it works, every alt you use during your suspension automatically adds another month. Yet you keep creating them, the latest being today, after you said "i am not going back to that $***-hole".

[pevergreen]

I say everyone place him on the ignore list.

He came here after being banned with a story, which i'm not going to link to, but is in the frontroom. I seriously doubt the veracity of it now.

Once a terribad troll, always a terribad troll.

So, following his advice and my own, along with the fact he seems to enjoy saying it publicly, ignored.