TWC or the Org?

[TinCow]

The thing is, they're not casual trolls. They're people who've settled to some extent in TWC, with significant postcounts (1000+), who have come into conflict with the moderators there, then relocated to here while they were suspended or banned, then made it their TWC raison d'etre to cause trouble there. One would have thought, if they disliked that site that much, they would just stop visiting it altogether, but that isn't so. Instead, they go to some lengths to raise hell there, doing stuff they know they'll get punished for, then complaining about the moderating, while maintaining a (relatively) civil persona over here at the Org. It can't be the moderating that is so much more severe, because they do stuff at TWC that would swiftly result in a permaban here if done here, or at least a self-titled thread in the Watchtower by Tosa.

I've seen stuff like that happen before on other sites. As I see it, it doesn't really have anything to do with TWC in specific. People who do that tend to internalize a conflict with a moderator or website and personalize it to a degree that becomes slightly obsessive. They often gain a persecution complex or otherwise see themselves as wronged or singled out in some manner. This then translates over to intentional troublemaking to strike back at the perceived instigators of their woes.

Their failure to translate that troublemaking to other sites is not so much a comment on the other sites as it is a comment on their obsession with the conflict with the original site. They may not be inherently 'bad' members, but rather become so with reference to a specific place due to their history with that place. This is partly why the most troublesome trolls are almost always people who were regular members for a long time first. Those who get in trouble soon after joining a forum don't have much invested in it and quickly get bored with trolling. Those who have a mental attachment to a forum are more likely to become obsessed with causing problems as retaliation for wrongs they believe were perpetrated on themselves.

This is not unique to TWC. The Org has plenty of people who enjoy causing problems for us and who regularly return with alt accounts to have another go. TWC probably has a lot more simply because their active member base is so much larger than ours.

[Pannonian]

I've seen stuff like that happen before on other sites. As I see it, it doesn't really have anything to do with TWC in specific. People who do that tend to internalize a conflict with a moderator or website and personalize it to a degree that becomes slightly obsessive. They often gain a persecution complex or otherwise see themselves as wronged or singled out in some manner. This then translates over to intentional troublemaking to strike back at the perceived instigators of their woes.

Their failure to translate that troublemaking to other sites is not so much a comment on the other sites as it is a comment on their obsession with the conflict with the original site. They may not be inherently 'bad' members, but rather become so with reference to a specific place due to their history with that place. This is partly why the most troublesome trolls are almost always people who were regular members for a long time first. Those who get in trouble soon after joining a forum don't have much invested in it and quickly get bored with trolling. Those who have a mental attachment to a forum are more likely to become obsessed with causing problems as retaliation for wrongs they believe were perpetrated on themselves.

This is not unique to TWC. The Org has plenty of people who enjoy causing problems for us and who regularly return with alt accounts to have another go. TWC probably has a lot more simply because their active member base is so much larger than ours.

Fair enough. I'd been wondering why it was that the TWC and Org communities were so different, and how things could be improved. One idea, particularly advanced by Orgahs who've drifted over to TWC, is that the semi-republican structures encourage the powerplays that these trolls indulge in. Another idea is that the membership here is generally older, and certainly liberally dotted with older posters, than the generally younger TWC membership. Then there's the idea you've suggested, which is that the TWC membership is just much bigger, and with a normal distribution, will naturally result in more outliers. From what I've seen, it's probably a mixture of all of these, plus other causes which I haven't found a description for yet.

Oh well, I just wish they'd stop returning to a place they seem to dislike, yet have a fixation on.