Quote Originally Posted by Chris1959 View Post
I have asked on the forum and to date no one has claimed to have a Patrician FM get the trait!
I have had a patrician with popularis, when he was young I had him ride all around italy building the smallest temple to ceres that only takes 2 turns. In my experience everyone becomes optimas if they are govenors, sitting in a city seems a sure fire way to get optimas. Even if they are generals very few become popularis unless you have them build alot of temples to ceres.