Does "Demand Surrender" ever work?

**napoleon526** · 06-02-2009, 23:24

For those of you who have seen it, what was the numerical discrepancy? Is the enemy more likely to surrender if you have overwhelming numbers?

**Belgolas** · 06-03-2009, 00:32

I had a city surrender. The A.I. nver builds forts. The stupid surrendering army gets a free pass to pillage. So I am never offering a surrender unless there is no garrason.

**antisocialmunky** · 06-03-2009, 00:35

At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if it was just a randomized number generator rather than any rational algorithm.

**Servius** · 06-03-2009, 00:45

The only time I ever had it work was during the RTI campaign. When the AI surrenders a town or fort, their forces should retreat to their nearest town. When they surrender a town, they should be auto-expelled to their nearest region the same way your forces get teleported when you give one of your regions to another nation.

**Slaists** · 06-03-2009, 17:08

Originally Posted by napoleon526

For those of you who have seen it, what was the numerical discrepancy? Is the enemy more likely to surrender if you have overwhelming numbers?

I've always had superior numbers (at least 5:1) when surrenders happened. Randomization seems to be present though. At times, the defenders would surrender; most times they would not despite the odds stacked against them. Unlike others, I do not find this combination of algorithm (odds stacked against AI) + randomization (there is a CHANCE but not certainty that the AI will surrender if the odds are against the defenders) annoying.

**antisocialmunky** · 06-03-2009, 22:14

If that's the case, randomization should not overcome gameplay factors otherwise there is not point to strategy. It would be nice if it was linked to odds and town happiness, etc.

**Vlad Tzepes** · 06-03-2009, 23:52

I know I'm off-topic with that, but I won't start a new thread just to say that I had a Cherokee unit retreat from the battlefield before making contact (the last remaining from other 6 that were destroyed). It's the first retreat from the battlefield I experience.

And, back on-topic, no, never had any besieged town/fort/whatever surrender, no matter the forces ratio. I still offer the option before any assault (I'm a good sport

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**Servius** · 06-08-2009, 05:32

I just had it happen a few nights ago. As GB I had Morocco and invaded Grenada. I demanded the Spanish surrender and they did!

**Abokasee** · 06-08-2009, 06:52

Never worked for me, not even when I had six groups of line infantry, four 24lb mortars, three 4" mortars, two Hussars and a number of conscripts lying around for novelty reasons againsts six firelock millitants

Before you ask I blew that place to smithereens

**Prussian to the Iron** · 06-08-2009, 16:53

first time it worked in 6 campaigns!!!!!

full stack versus 4 mob units. surrendered after i asked it.

next turn: 2 mob units versus another full stack no surrender?