Treasury size and loyalty

**Jxrc** · 06-04-2009, 16:59

I dont't think that the amount of florins you have affect the loyalty of your governor.
If I am correct, your governors get bad V&V (gambler, poor farmer, Brigands and thiefs), once you have conquered many provinces (I would say 40 but not sure at all).
Having more than 50K does not change a thing IIRC. It does have a impact in RTW but not in MTW.

**gaijinalways** · 06-11-2009, 03:48

It does seem that a negative income affets loyalty somehow. Whenever your economy is in the red for too many years, suddenly rebellions seem to sprout up like weeds!

**Martok** · 06-13-2009, 09:11

Originally Posted by gaijinalways

It does seem that a negative income affets loyalty somehow. Whenever your economy is in the red for too many years, suddenly rebellions seem to sprout up like weeds!

I wouldn't say it happens "suddenly". What's happening is that, for all intents & purposes, you're simply seeing the effects of armies rebelling after so many years without pay.

**gaijinalways** · 06-13-2009, 14:04

You have a point there. If my salary 'suddenly' disappeared, I'm not sure how loyal I would be. Actually, since I'm a professional part-time ronin, my loyalty hangs by a 'coin' anyway.

But I have had it happen pretty quickly in some cases, so maybe those men thought they deserved raises earlier. That or all that razing with no sharing the women did it...

**dragula42** · 06-15-2009, 00:35

To my knowledge all that affects loyalty in a province are

spy activity (yours or theirs)
religious activity
management (corruption, good traits, bad traits, etc.)
tax rates
buildings
how long you've had the province

I can't recall if population or overcrowding is a factor in MTW (still haven't figured out how to get it working again) it is in RTW...

**dragula42** · 06-15-2009, 00:39

So to think of it treasury size may very well affect loyalty but I think indirectly rather than directly,

seeing as how if you don't have the money you can't build and may your subjects happy..
I know this has been a problem for me in RTW as I have to continually build to please the underlings of the city or I'd continually get riots and revolts... so I had to RomeShell some money just to survive as a faction... I hate doing it but I don't see an alternative...

**Martok** · 06-23-2009, 19:19

Originally Posted by dragula42

I can't recall if population or overcrowding is a factor in MTW (still haven't figured out how to get it working again) it is in RTW...

Fortunately, population/overcrowding isn't something you have to worry about in MTW.

Originally Posted by dragula42

So to think of it treasury size may very well affect loyalty but I think indirectly rather than directly,

seeing as how if you don't have the money you can't build and may your subjects happy..

I don't think the size of your treasury affects loyalty of your provinces, just with your armies. So long as you're not taxing them too much, I doubt the "people" care very much about how much money you have....the troops in your armies, however, care a great deal.