Treasury size and loyalty

[gaijinalways]

It does seem that a negative income affets loyalty somehow. Whenever your economy is in the red for too many years, suddenly rebellions seem to sprout up like weeds!

[Martok]

It does seem that a negative income affets loyalty somehow. Whenever your economy is in the red for too many years, suddenly rebellions seem to sprout up like weeds!

I wouldn't say it happens "suddenly". What's happening is that, for all intents & purposes, you're simply seeing the effects of armies rebelling after so many years without pay.

[gaijinalways]

You have a point there. If my salary 'suddenly' disappeared, I'm not sure how loyal I would be. Actually, since I'm a professional part-time ronin, my loyalty hangs by a 'coin' anyway.

But I have had it happen pretty quickly in some cases, so maybe those men thought they deserved raises earlier. That or all that razing with no sharing the women did it...

[dragula42]

To my knowledge all that affects loyalty in a province are

spy activity (yours or theirs)
religious activity
management (corruption, good traits, bad traits, etc.)
tax rates
buildings
how long you've had the province


I can't recall if population or overcrowding is a factor in MTW (still haven't figured out how to get it working again) it is in RTW...

[dragula42]

So to think of it treasury size may very well affect loyalty but I think indirectly rather than directly,

seeing as how if you don't have the money you can't build and may your subjects happy..
I know this has been a problem for me in RTW as I have to continually build to please the underlings of the city or I'd continually get riots and revolts... so I had to RomeShell some money just to survive as a faction... I hate doing it but I don't see an alternative...

[Martok]

I can't recall if population or overcrowding is a factor in MTW (still haven't figured out how to get it working again) it is in RTW...

Fortunately, population/overcrowding isn't something you have to worry about in MTW.

So to think of it treasury size may very well affect loyalty but I think indirectly rather than directly,

seeing as how if you don't have the money you can't build and may your subjects happy..

I don't think the size of your treasury affects loyalty of your provinces, just with your armies. So long as you're not taxing them too much, I doubt the "people" care very much about how much money you have....the troops in your armies, however, care a great deal.

[gaijinalways]

Martok posted

I don't think the size of your treasury affects loyalty of your provinces, just with your armies. So long as you're not taxing them too much, I doubt the "people" care very much about how much money you have....the troops in your armies, however, care a great deal.

Good point, troops that are not paid will rebel! That's why you do have to use mercs sparingly, as their loyalty is particularly capricious,; if the cash isn't there soon, they're gone!