The EU election thread

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Now, monarchists and religious nut-jobs might be not considered pretty reactionary in some countries (and I feel sorry for those countries), but in France, where 80% of the population don't give a crap about religion, support abortion, and where the Republic is the basis of all our political and social culture (and furthermore, where every movement or party that opposed the republic happilly and hastily worked for the nazis in 1940), yeah, they are pretty far-right, like *FAR*-right.

Every religious "nut-job" is far-right? The Christian Left wants a word with you.
Monarchists are far-right? I think the collective monarchists here at the .Org want a word with you (as well as monarchists in European countries who tend to support a fairly wide variety of parties).

Basically, with those two definitions, you're claiming everyone but the left-wing to far-left is far-right. Your definitions (France or no France) are not neutral or sensible.

I guess that might be hard to understand for someone who has little knowledge of the french political life and history, but heh :-/

Unnecessary personal attack, especially considering you have no idea what I know or don't know about France...

I also guess some people could say I'm biased when calling some elements of the majority far-right, but monarchists and people who want masses in latin ? Come one.

You don't go to Church. Who cares if the mass is in Latin or not? Wanting a Latin mass doesn't make you a far-right extremist (unless you're looking at it from a far-left perspective). Monarchism, far-right? Give me a break.

The Front National, the mainstream far-right party, also rejects the republic, but is more vocal about immigration and capitalism. The Movement for France is on the other hand, more vocal about religious values than about immigration (though it often complains about the evil jewish religion and islam being imposed on good, faithful catholics).

Whether you want to acknowledge it or not, the Movement for France and the Front National are not the same thing.

Feudalism, theocracy, anti-Semitism, monarchism, inequality - one man's far-right reactionarism is another one's moderate, traditional, mainstream conservative.

1) Feudalism isn't inherently far-right in my opinion (nor is it a good thing)
2) Theocracy is also not inherently far-right or even right-wing
3) Anti-Semitism is certainly not confined to the right or, these days, even most common there.
4) Monarchism is not far-right.
5) Inequality is not either.

We're looking at it from two different perspectives, perhaps, but some of the claims made in this thread seem to be bordering on nonsensical...

I too consider the far-right to consist of more than just fascism. The far-left isn't limited to communists either. There are far-left fruitcakes of other ideological origin. Both flanks have their share of extreme parties.

That is fair enough.