The EU election thread

[Louis VI the Fat]

Libertas is the party of Irish business man Ganley. He is credited with being instrumental in the Irish no vote over the Lisbon Treaty.

It would now appear that not everything is what it seems about Ganley:

THE TREATMENT of Libertas founder Declan Ganley by the media raises “very fundamental questions” about Irish journalism, Minister for European Affairs Dick Roche has said.
Mr Roche said that, notwithstanding the work of two journalists – Colm Keena of The Irish Times and RTÉ’s Katie Hannon – Mr Ganley’s background in business was not “properly probed”.

The Libertas leader has said that he will not be involved in a second campaign against the Lisbon Treaty.

“He suckered a lot of senior journalists all over this country,” Mr Roche said. “All you have to do is look at the simple improbability of his biography and at the suggestions that he was, at 20, 22 years of age, running the largest forestry operation in the former Soviet Union. You just have to look at any of these so-called facts and you could begin to ask serious questions.”

Mr Roche also asked what had happened to the funds Libertas had collected over the past year.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...248537825.html


Ganley organised a pan-European party for this month's EU election. This party / movement, it appeared, was, oh let's say, a peculiar mixture of opportunists from the political fringes

UNSUCCESSFUL LIBERTAS candidate for Dublin Caroline Simons sent a legal letter to Declan Ganley’s spokesman the day after the European elections accusing the spokesman of defaming her.

Ms Simons’s complaint related to a press release issued to the media in her name describing an international Jewish organisation, the Simon Wiesenthal Centre, as “beneath contempt”.

The release was prompted by the Simon Wiesenthal Centre’s claim that some Libertas candidates around Europe were “known anti-Semites, homophobes and anti-migrant racists”.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...248899908.html


Did someone mention 'fraud in the EU'? Do I hear somebody mention 'foreign interference in Ireland'? That's right. Our dear Ganley used both themes in his Irish 'No' campaign. However, it appears one need not look further than Ganley himself:

Anti-Lisbon organisation Libertas failed to provide adequate information to the Standards in Public Office commission on its activities during last year’s referendum, a report found today.

[the report] demonstrated that Libertas was not willing to operate under the Law, according to Minister for Europe, Dick Roche.

"It raises real issues regarding the extent of foreign interference channelled via Libertas into the referendum campaign. The report demonstrates the need for an immediate strengthening of the law."

“It confirms questions raised by me and others about the role of US defence contractor Rivada Networks Ltd and its Irish office. It contains and confirms that there was serious external interference in Ireland's referendum campaign from Mr Ganley's euro sceptic contacts via the Libertas campaign.”

Currently, Ganley has fled from politics. With his tail between his legs, amongst lawsuits, allegations of fraud, and millions worth of unpaid bills.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...248690587.html




Thank you very much, you lying, fraudulent , for giving Ireland and the EU years worth of trouble.

[Furunculus]

This would be the same Irish Gov't that has pushed its pro-europe agenda into the teeth of an unwilling Irish electorate, and they're annoyed with Declan Ganley's anti-Lisbon campaign.......... oh really!

[Banquo's Ghost]

Thank you, you lying, fraudulent , for giving the EU years worth of trouble.

Once again, the Irish people did not vote against Lisbon merely on the say-so of this crook (who, I recall, was rightly held up as such by Tribesman on this very forum) but because of a range of deep concerns that Libertas happened to strike a chord upon. The question posed to the people was a Yes or No referendum, not a party vote.

I know it's hard to believe Louis, but our people actually voted against the Lisbon Treaty of their own volition. As did the French against the original constitution. Note that Ganley was not active when your citizens gave the EU months of trouble (ie until they were ignored and removed from the process).

[Louis VI the Fat]

This would be the same Irish Gov't that has pushed its pro-europe agenda into the teeth of an unwilling Irish electorate, and their annoyed with Declan Ganley's anti-Lisbon campaign.......... oh really!

Yes, I am aware that Euro-scepticism is an overriding sentiment.

No matter how many lawsuits, no matter how many Bulgarians, Fins, Italians, Greeks, French point out that Ganley's European party in their country is made up of mobsters, no matter how much fraud and corruption Irish journalism manages to dig up, no matter how much even Ganley himself has stopped even the mere pretense, Eurosceptics will believe it is all an EU Superstatist lie.


Irish politics forum. They are not kind to Ganley.
http://www.politics.ie/elections/767...paid-over.html

Ganley is a fraudulent businessman. The leader of a far right pan-European party. The Irish 'no' campaign was illegally funded from abroad.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Once again, the Irish people did not vote against Lisbon merely on the say-so of this crook (who, I recall, was rightly held up as such by Tribesman on this very forum) but because of a range of deep concerns that Libertas happened to strike a chord upon. The question posed to the people was a Yes or No referendum, not a party vote.

I know it's hard to believe Louis, but our people actually voted against the Lisbon Treaty of their own volition. As did the French against the original constitution. Note that Ganley was not active when your citizens gave the EU months of trouble (ie until they were ignored and removed from the process).

I am concerned here with the EU election earlier this month, not a rehash of the Irish referendum. Libertas ran a campaign in all European countries, gaining a seat in France.

[Furunculus]

i'm delighted.

since the EU tried to scupper the anti-federal party plan by raising the entrance fee to eight representing nations, maybe the french libertas MEP can form France's contribution to the EUro-skeptic European Conservatives? lol

[Banquo's Ghost]

I am concerned here with the EU election earlier this month, not a rehash of the Irish referendum. Libertas ran a campaign in all European countries, gaining a seat in France.

Fair enough. I was confused by your constant reference to that referendum.

[Husar]

There's on statement in Banquo's post that really made me laugh.

It's ironic that the anti-EU movement or at least a vocal part of it is based on fraud and claims the EU is bad because of corruption etc.
That people want to keep the status quo anyway doesn't surprise me that much, I'm afraid of certain changes myself, but sometimes it's better to go through them anyway.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Fair enough. I was confused by your constant reference to that referendum.

Now that I think about it a bit more, I think that you were irritated by my equating the no-vote with Ganley. Thereby overlooking sincere Irish doubts over 'Lisbon'. This was an unintended effect of my post about Ganley/Libertas. Unintended, because my criticism of his role in the Irish referendum is, of course, much harsher still. Here you go:

I predict that the 'no camp' in the new referendum will this time comply with Irish law and will not be financed illegally from outside of Ireland again. Why? Because the foreign financers have got it their way already.
In the new treaty proposal that the Irish government has negotiated, Ireland will remain a tax haven for, especially, American corporations. This removes the incentive for a repeat of large-scale illegal foreign interference into Irish internal politics for the next referendum. Despite the corruptness of this all, there is an up side: we might see Irish interests being discussed this time, instead of those of foreign multinationals.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

anti-republic

NAR? Rassemblement démocrate? Far-right?

*A progressive council, where amongst other things it was decided that vernacular languages should replace mass in Latin. Therefore, to call for Latin in church is to oppose progressive, modern Catholicism. This is what Meneldil is referring to. That is, by Catholic standards, these people are hardright reactionaries.

Language is language, and of course it could be debated all day, but we'll have to agree to disagree on this.