16 y old "Seen the Elephant, Legendary commander, and Great Conqueror"

**Duguntz** · 06-10-2009, 14:55

Originally Posted by Cute Wolf

When I play Sweboz, I capable to get huge management bonus on most of my FM, except the one (or two) who stay in the field since his 16th birthday. Even with tavern on, the key is just tax the people as high as possible, build economic tier buildings first, and never fight except in emergency (campaign was done by one or two general that was raised for that)

The problem I see (I don't cricticise, just say my opinion) is that you play sweboz exactly as KH should be roleplayed : lots of good managers, and when conquest season's comming up, you ''raise'' generals, wich would have been elected by the assembly... that's real good for KH or any Hellenic Faction, but not sweboz, as they're not commercent, like KH, or the later vikings (wich were as good trader as warrior) sweboz are pure warriors, in the essence of the therm, and their leaders (your FMs) must represent that, all fighting on the first line, more for their personal glory than for real conquest. (well, it's just an opinion!)

I'm thinking about starting a KH campiain after my Sweboz one... It'll be a radical change of roleplay!

**Watchman** · 06-10-2009, 21:45

I don't think the "warlord" and "district manager" roles are particularly mutually exclusive, you know. Even Germanic war-chiefs could hardly be on the warpath *all* the time for entirely practical reasons already, and unless I'm mistaken their status came in no small part from being wealthy enough to equip and maintain their own "household" warriors (ie. the soldiers of the BG unit) they could take to the field with on a short notice...
Romantic fancy aside, that translates to owning and managing property.

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 06-11-2009, 00:41

Originally Posted by Watchman

I don't think the "warlord" and "district manager" roles are particularly mutually exclusive, you know. Even Germanic war-chiefs could hardly be on the warpath *all* the time for entirely practical reasons already, and unless I'm mistaken their status came in no small part from being wealthy enough to equip and maintain their own "household" warriors (ie. the soldiers of the BG unit) they could take to the field with on a short notice...
Romantic fancy aside, that translates to owning and managing property.

Bingo, gift giving etc was a huge part of germanic culture, essential to status. Gifts were not just armlets, they were estates, cattle, horses. The Sweboz may have lacked a literate chancery but to suggest they could not manage estates and administer justice is to fall for a philhellenic sterotype of "barbarism".

Not to mention the fact that in general, throughout history, even the elite would rather not fight and risk dieing too often

**Duguntz** · 06-11-2009, 06:08

I never said they couldn't manage their buisness! otherwise they'd never become the gifted traders they've been later on. I say that Aristocratie, nobility, was acquired by deeds of battle, and thus, not by a supreme management power! To say they weren't theunwashed barbarians the greeks believed they were is right, but to say they were the same administrator han Greeks or romans in order to take care of, or even offer estates, it's ridiculous! Because they were not able? no, but because it wasn't at all their society.

Cheers

**Cute Wolf** · 06-15-2009, 06:20

This morning, Alexandros Aiakides passed away peacefully at 192 y old (72 y old...)

I'm ashamed that he only sit down in Emporion, waiting the Kart Hadast attack... without any real battle happned (read: full stack against full stack...) the Kart Hadast only throw some Iberians after all, and now he rest in peace... at least aiakides family line was still keep intact...

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 06-15-2009, 14:42

Originally Posted by Duguntz

I never said they couldn't manage their buisness! otherwise they'd never become the gifted traders they've been later on. I say that Aristocratie, nobility, was acquired by deeds of battle, and thus, not by a supreme management power! To say they weren't theunwashed barbarians the greeks believed they were is right, but to say they were the same administrator han Greeks or romans in order to take care of, or even offer estates, it's ridiculous! Because they were not able? no, but because it wasn't at all their society.

Cheers

I think you should read up on Hellenistic and Roman society, particually the Macedonian Kings; all of whom were either wounded or killed in battle.

**Maion Maroneios** · 06-15-2009, 19:31

Not all Basileis, though many died brutal deaths.

Maion

**TruePraetorian** · 06-15-2009, 20:59

Back to topic, I remember back in the good ol' vanilla you can make FM's survive by simply reloading the turn before they die and hit end turn again.

Got a 112 year old once like that.

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 06-16-2009, 01:18

Originally Posted by Maion Maroneios

Not all Basileis, though many died brutal deaths.

Maion

You may be right, I can't think of a Macedonain that didn't take a sword in the thigh, or lose an eye though.

**option** · 06-16-2009, 08:04

Originally Posted by TruePraetorian

Back to topic, I remember back in the good ol' vanilla you can make FM's survive by simply reloading the turn before they die and hit end turn again.

Got a 112 year old once like that.

You can do it in EB, too. Mithradates Ktistes is currently 109 and counting.

**Watchman** · 06-16-2009, 08:48

Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

You may be right, I can't think of a Macedonain that didn't take a sword in the thigh, or lose an eye though.

The Alexandrian "heroic leadership" approach tends to do that, I imagine.

**Maion Maroneios** · 06-16-2009, 09:16

Well, there was a certain custom amongst Macedonian Kings, which had them lead the battle personally or else the rest of the army didn't put a single step forward. Not to mention that seeing your own King charge the enemy is bound to inspire you to at least run to help him, if not to at least proove themselves in battle.

Maion

**Cute Wolf** · 06-16-2009, 10:16

Megas Alexandros does that action very well... but afterall, the Makedonian kings still think about the risk, and no one will throw themself in front of rows of sarrisae..... at least no one except that Sweboz guy... (Soory Duguntiz)

**Maion Maroneios** · 06-16-2009, 11:46

Indeed. But I didn't say they charged head on, I said they took the first step towards the enemy army. That's completely different. They didn't act like the Mus family of the Romaioi

And as much as I hate to say, what you say about the Germanoi (in general) is true. No wonder nobody bothers going into those damned forests of theirs.

Maion