When is a fascist not a fascist?

[KarlXII]

And what is Stalinism? A variant of communism (or an interpretation of it, etc). I don't see your point with defining Stalin as Stalinist though. Is Marxism not a form of communism because it is Marxism?

We have specific varieties of every umbrella political theory. Democracy can be Parliamentary, Republican, Representative, Direct. Monarchy can be Absolute, Constitutional.

[Hosakawa Tito]

Ah, the double standard and obfuscation on the actual topic at hand in action. There is no debate here, only inane hairsplitting on the real definition of "is". Time for a beer and less trivial pursuits.

[Tribesman]

The protesters were rubbish . They should have thrown a curry at him after he had given his speech, after all curry is the British national dish

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

We have specific varieties of every umbrella political theory. Democracy can be Parliamentary, Republican, Representative, Direct. Monarchy can be Absolute, Constitutional.

That was what I was arguing (to a certain extent). A square is a rectangle, though not all rectangles are squares.

[LittleGrizzly]

No one seemed to bothered when Prescott had an egg chucked at him... I have no doubt the BNP member was more deserving...

I don't advocate chucking eggs at BNP politicians or politicians in general but it happening once in a while isn't the end of the world...

I think IA summed it up quite nicely with something that went a little like this... some people need to look at the history books.... so please do rather than throw out the some disproven nonsense...

[Fragony]

If you have to resort to violence because you aren't intellectually on the same level as BNP muppets it's says a lot.

lol@egg
gah@BNP
meh@'anti'fascists

[Banquo's Ghost]

If you have to resort to violence because you aren't intellectually on the same level as BNP muppets it's says a lot.

lol@egg
gah@BNP
meh@'anti'fascists

This is the best point yet.

The sad thing about the protesters and their vow to hound Mr Griffen at every opportunity is that it denies the general populace the entertainment of hearing him speak.

Listening to the man tying himself in knots as he tries to avoid blatantly racist language is the funniest thing on radio. The man is pure comedy gold.

[HoreTore]

Assault - a crime of violence against a person.
Violence - the expression of physical force against self or other.

Definitions from Wiki.

Egg throwing is, if not violence, completely unacceptable. Thing is though, it is violence. Pushing a cake into the face of an individual is also violence, but an egg is far more likely to cause physical harm.

Oh come on. Like you didn't applaud it when one of brown's ministers(name escapes me atm) got green sauce all over his face.

Throwing an egg is the same. Ie., not violence. It won't cause physical harm, it won't make anyone intimidated.

[Fragony]

intimidating it is though, it means you are on their list and that your life is in danger.

[HoreTore]

intimidating it is though, it means you are on their list and that your life is in danger.

Nonsense.

His life is in danger? When have people like this ever killed someone?

[Fragony]

Nonsense.

His life is in danger? When have people like this ever killed someone?

kidding me? And it very much means just that.

[HoreTore]

kidding me? And it very much means just that.

Again, nonsense. Nobody will kill him, and certainly not some youths throwing eggs.

Again I ask; When was the last time someone like these killed someone like Griffin?

EDIT: here's a fun exercise for you frags(and IA too); try searching for "anti fascist murder" on google. Compare how many are committed by fascists, and how many by anti-fascists....

[Fragony]

Again, nonsense. Nobody will kill him, and certainly not some youths throwing eggs.

Again I ask; When was the last time someone like these killed someone like Griffin?

Fortuyn for example a few years back. Squating/antifa movement aren't a bunch of hippies, they are ultra-violent scum, first an egg, if you still don't get it a burning cloth in your mail in the middle of the night, half the RAF is in it today, close ties to the FARC and the bio-jugend, dangerous folks who will kill you if they have the chance.

[HoreTore]

Fortuyn for example a few years back. Squating/antifa movement aren't a bunch of hippies, they are ultra-violent scum, first an egg, if you still don't get it a burning cloth in your mail in the middle of the night, half the RAF is in it today, close ties to the FARC and the bio-jugend, dangerous folks who will kill you if they have the chance.

So.... They're "ultra-violent", that's why "they" have killed a total of just one guy....?

I'd say Griffin can sleep well at night.

[Furunculus]

Violence or the threat of violence is a fascist tactic. Allow them their say and let the audience decide the merit of their ideology

Aw'some, so the people who revolted in France in 1789 against tyranny were fascists.

you are doing Hosakawa a grave dis-service by only partially quoting him.

the free dictionary to give but one example uses this definition: "a. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism"

using the above we can determine two things:
> you use of french revolutionaries is invalid as they were the suppressed in a non-representative system, not the dictatorial government itself.
> the BNP seen in this light are in opposition to government and being suppressed through terror and censorship (read: eggs and biased press).

[Fragony]

So.... They're "ultra-violent", that's why "they" have killed a total of just one guy....?

I'd say Griffin can sleep well at night.

The RAF not ultra violent? Old RAF-members are now in the antifa. They recruit for the FARC, FARC not violent? There was also an attempted murder on Janmaat (not that he wasn't a creep), and why do you think Wilders needs protection. Why do you think bankiers need protection. Because of ultra-violent extreme leftist scum, that's why.

why not google leftist terrorism.

[Louis VI the Fat]

lol@egg
gah@BNP
meh@'anti'fascists

Squating/antifa movement aren't a bunch of hippies, they are ultra-violent scum, first an egg, if you still don't get it a burning cloth in your mail in the middle of the night, half the RAF is in it today, close ties to the FARC and the bio-jugend, dangerous folks who will kill you if they have the chance.

Not interested in obfuscation on the actual topic at hand and inane hairsplitting on the real definition of 'is', I shall limit my contribution to this thread by once again expressing my admiration of Frag's keen understanding of these issues.

The first post is the E=mc2 of tiresome Euro fascist/anti-fascist debate.

[HoreTore]

The RAF not ultra violent? Old RAF-members are now in the antifa. They recruit for the FARC, FARC not violent? There was also an attempted murder on Janmaat (not that he wasn't a creep), and why do you think Wilders needs protection. Why do you think bankiers need protection. Because of ultra-violent extreme leftist scum, that's why.

why not google leftist terrorism.

So... That's why their total death count is a grand total of....1?

Yeah, sounds like a real threat.

[Fragony]

So... That's why their total death count is a grand total of....1?

Yeah, sounds like a real threat.

quite http://www.cepsr.com/clanek.php?ID=319

[CountArach]

quite http://www.cepsr.com/clanek.php?ID=319

"The European extreme left in its original strength and influence is now history. The activities of its successors are less violent overall. Unlike the brutal operations of Islamist terrorism which targets masses of civilians, the main tactic of extreme left terrorism is that of damaging property, with only isolated selective attacks on individuals. Weapons with greater damaging effects are very rarely used (as in Greece by the Revolutionary Struggle group)."
- Your article

[Hosakawa Tito]

This is the best point yet.

The sad thing about the protesters and their vow to hound Mr Griffen at every opportunity is that it denies the general populace the entertainment of hearing him speak.

Listening to the man tying himself in knots as he tries to avoid blatantly racist language is the funniest thing on radio. The man is pure comedy gold.

Ah, someone who does know how to carry a conversation instead of trying to blow smoke up my with thread derailing "baffle 'em with road apples" off-topic obfuscation. How refreshing.


So, can anyone explain the justification, without waffling on about this & that, for the threat of violence & oppression of the political message of the BNP by their opponents?

Like BG, I believe it is better and right to allow them to present their views and remove all doubt for what they stand for.

[Fragony]

"The European extreme left in its original strength and influence is now history. The activities of its successors are less violent overall. Unlike the brutal operations of Islamist terrorism which targets masses of civilians, the main tactic of extreme left terrorism is that of damaging property, with only isolated selective attacks on individuals. Weapons with greater damaging effects are very rarely used (as in Greece by the Revolutionary Struggle group)."
- Your article

Less violent doesn't mean not violent. And let's not even start about mental terror, it must be quite harrowing to have pictures of your children mailed at you with a little note that they know which school they are going. Very harrowing if your car explodes, very harrowing if your house is set on fire in the middle of the night.

[Husar]

For a proper assault you need an assault rifle, not eggs.
It is however not nice to waste eggs like that while children in africa are hungry...

[Louis VI the Fat]

Why did the protesters only throw one egg?

...because one egg's un œuf!



Ba-boom-tish!!!

[Rhyfelwyr]

So... That's why their total death count is a grand total of....1?

Yeah, sounds like a real threat.

There's no point arguing whether fascits or anti-fascists kill more... at the end of the day, we all agree that fascists are nasty people, but it's kind of ironic when 'anti-fascists' start acting like fascists.

[Andres]

Hey, we do egg throwing at politicians here as well!

Belgian "egg throwing at politicians"- championship

Damien Thierry (R), the mayor of the commune of Linkebeek, is protected by police after being hit by an egg on his head as he tried to put up a poster for the Union of Francophones in the Flemish town of Halle June 5, 2009. Thiery won a court ruling that he could put up a poster for the party despite the insistence of Flemish authorities that all electoral material must be in Dutch. The mayor of Halle chose to remove all electoral posters to avoid clashes between French-speakers and Flemish nationalists.

Eggcellent! Maybe we should organise a World Championship?

[CountArach]

Less violent doesn't mean not violent. And let's not even start about mental terror, it must be quite harrowing to have pictures of your children mailed at you with a little note that they know which school they are going. Very harrowing if your car explodes, very harrowing if your house is set on fire in the middle of the night.

Yes, because I'm sure social conservatives have never blown things up.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Why did the protesters only throw one egg?

...because one egg's un œuf!



Ba-boom-tish!!!

....ouch, just ouch.

<<heads off to consider whether he can toss a minor infraction point at Louis for the bilinguality of the pun.>>

[Andres]

....ouch, just ouch.

<<heads off to consider whether he can toss a minor infraction point at Louis for the bilinguality of the pun.>>

A pity moderators can't throw eggs :)

[Fragony]

Yes, because I'm sure social conservatives have never blown things up.

Why do you find it so hard to come to terms with something such as leftist terrorism and ultra-violent leftist scum. It exists, I didn't invent it to annoy you. I would have picked the Oklahoma-bombing by the way.