Hitting Women

[pevergreen]

Nothing wrong with it. If they have it coming, hit them as hard as you would a man.

[CountArach]

Violence is wrong in all cases. A slap is done in self-defence - hitting a woman is rarely ever done that way.

[Hooahguy]

while in some cases its ok to hit women, esp if they are man-like (as is the case with one girl in my grade- she can beat up any guy in the school).
but as a general rule: no. its not worth it.

[CountArach]

while in some cases its ok to hit women, esp if they are man-like (as is the case with one girl in my grade- she can beat up any guy in the school).
but as a general rule: no. its not worth it.

So wait, you are acknowledging that we should not hit women... yet at the same time saying we should hit women because they act like men? If that's not reinforcing gender stereotypes I don't know what is.

[rotorgun]

Once, during one of our first knock down, drag it out arguments, I made the mistake of bringing up that I thought her family all acted as if their didn't stink. My wife went straight for the utensils drawer, pulled out the biggest knife she could find, rounded on me, and said in feminine Clint Eastwood like voice, "Do you want some of this, or are you gonna take that last statement back." As she looked rather serious (she was shaking with fury), I took it back.

Kinda scared me there for a moment. I thought about hitting her and taking the knife from her, but she would have sliced me up like a hog on hog skinnin' day!

[Husar]

So wait, you are acknowledging that we should not hit women... yet at the same time saying we should hit women because they act like men? If that's not reinforcing gender stereotypes I don't know what is.

So you think the whole "you do not ever hit a woman"-thing has absolutely nothing to do with gender stereotypes? Don't make me laugh...
I like women like most men but if I gotta hit them, I'll hit them, doesn't mean I support domestic violence and beating women in general.
Women aren't sacred cows, stop belittling them!

[CountArach]

So you think the whole "you do not ever hit a woman"-thing has absolutely nothing to do with gender stereotypes? Don't make me laugh...

Absolutely it reinforces gender stereotypes, but not to the same extent that Hooahguy's statement does. That statement assumes that women are seperate from men and are fragile, whereas Hooahguy's statement not only makes this assumption, but also adds on that women shouldn't attempt to be any other way.

That said, i stand opposed to both notions - violence is wrong against all people, regardless of gender.

[Fragony]

Violence is wrong in all cases. A slap is done in self-defence - hitting a woman is rarely ever done that way.

^- exactly that.

[CountArach]

^- exactly that.

I... I don't know what to think now...

[Strike For The South]

Im lucky Im such a big strapping man. No woman has ever struck me.

[Fragony]

I... I don't know what to think now...

Well hitting women is wrong. You stab them.

[CountArach]

Well hitting women is wrong. You stab them.

Right - that makes me feel much better. Thanks.

[Samurai Waki]

Don't worry Lemur. You're not the only one. The girl I was dating before I met my Wife, thought that it was funny to punch me in the stomach... I eventually told her that I didn't like it when she did that, and if she did it again I was going to retaliate, and I emphasized that I was going to retaliate is if though she were a man. She didn't get it, and on one particular day she socked me right in the diaphragm and literally knocked the wind out of me. I got up from my knees and nailed her right shoulder socket hard enough that it dislocated her arm, and sent her reeling to the ground.

After that we made up, and kept together for another three years. And never once did we hit each other after that.

[Fragony]

My life must be pretty boring

[rory_20_uk]

One used not to hit ladies as of course ladies did not punch either!

I'd no more take random swings at men as I would at women, but I don't see why I am anyone's punching bag.

[Beirut]

I slapped a girl hard enough to land her on the grass back in high school. It was at a school dance. She was being a complete and mentally torturing my very drunk best friend outside on the football field. I guess I was about 16 at the time. Haven't hit, slapped, pushed, or used any kind of physical violence on a woman during the following 30 years.

And no, you should not hit a woman. (Though sometimes, I tell ya... )

On the other hand, I teach my 13 year-old daughter that if any male even so much as touches her without prior written approval, she should close her fist and bury it right in his face as hard as she can. I ain't raising no girl that's going to take guff from a weak willed men who like to push women around.

[Beirut]

Sorry, net problems.

[Beirut]

Sorry, net problems.

[rory_20_uk]

On the other hand, I teach my 13 year-old daughter that if any male even so much as touches her without prior written approval, she should close her fist and bury it right in his face as hard as she can. I ain't raising no girl that's going to take guff from weak willed men who like to push women around.

Great idea, what a wonderful way to escalate a situation...
And if that guy justifiably responds to assault?

[AlexanderSextus]

Honestly i believe that if a woman has the guts to hit me like a man she must have the guts to get hit like a man.

I took Wing Chun Kung Fu for a while, and it is a system created by a woman so she could beat up bigger, stronger men. There were some girls in our class too, and they were not exactly big masculine girls either...they were very pretty actually. My Sifu used to always tell us: "don't go easy on the girls, they need to be able to deal with the reality that in a fight situation the attacker isn't gonna remember their mom telling them not to hit girls".

Lemme tell ya, you would think these girls couldn't hurt a fly, Pfffff. I saw one guy try to force himself on one of these women and he was on the ground with a broken nose and two teeth knocked out before you could blink.

The way she beat this guy down was she used a technique where many straight punches are fired one after the other in rapid succession.

here's an explanation of the straight punch and how it works
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yvh8EGzW160

and here's an explanation of how the "machine gun" way of linking them works: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76MV...eature=related

[Reverend Joe]

Great idea, what a wonderful way to escalate a situation...
And if that guy justifiably responds to assault?

That's not assault, it's self-defense, and a damn good strategy too. Unless you're dealing with a guy who's a complete nut, he will be too surprised (and probably too scared) to respond in kind, or do anything but leave well enough alone. On the other hand, if the guy is a nut who would "escalate the situation," not hitting him won't really do any good because she's going to be in serious trouble either way; may as well at least try to defend herself.

[Fragony]

Way to go Beirut 3 times, must have been love

[rory_20_uk]

That's not assault, it's self-defense, and a damn good strategy too. Unless you're dealing with a guy who's a complete nut, he will be too surprised (and probably too scared) to respond in kind, or do anything but leave well enough alone. On the other hand, if the guy is a nut who would "escalate the situation," not hitting him won't really do any good because she's going to be in serious trouble either way; may as well at least try to defend herself.

So, the guy is presumed to be guilty as apparently holding hands is a good enough reason to lash out.

Who said she's in serious trouble? She might be after explaining to the police how she broke someone's nose "just in case" he was to do something.

Civilisation appears to be a very thin veneer as far as you are concerned - both men and women nothing more than groups of thugs.

[Beskar]

As CountAnarch says, violence is not the answer, it is usually the result of the breakdown of communication. It's best to leave the scene and come again at it later.

In a situation where violence is needed for self-defence, act responsibly to get you out of a situation. For one incidence, many many years ago, when I was in high school, this "rough" girl for whatever reason beyond logic and comprehension, kept kicking me. So when she went to kick me again, I grabbed her foot, pulled off her shoe and threw it over a fence. I didn't actually need to do any violence or hitting, with her shoe on the otherside of the fence, it ended up disabling her kicking me, plus she has to explain to some random person to give her, her shoe back. Funniest response was when they went "y'll d'tat?" (proper English: "Why did you do that?") and I just laughed.

A slight lie, after I threw her shoe over the fence, she kept following me, hopping, trying to kick me then gave up after it was too much effort and since removing her shoe really took the sting out of it.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Just... no... I thought Lemur's post was a joke (is it, or am i being slow, meh I'm tired).

If she keeps punching you or whatever and it's causing you more than negligible pain, then just grab her wrist firmly next time or deflect the hit... don't hit back.

I cannot understand how some people would think it is OK to hit a woman, but then I've never understood parents who think its OK to hit their children. I don't care if they hit you, you're bigger and you should be able to take it, the fact that you are so much bigger (remember how massive adults looked when you were young, heck to a 5 year old a 6 year old is a giant) means they probably don't realise they are hurting you, and if you complain you are just being a wimp.

[Garnier]

Don't hit women. It is always bad to hit women, if it is necessary, as in it's that or danger to yourself or someone else and there's no other option, then it can't be helped. But I expect that is almost never the case. I sympathize and understand, but it still isn't right.

[Samurai Waki]

you're missing the point... its never okay to hit anyone, female or male. And most people do resort to violence as an act of emotional discharge. And many people use violence as an act of domination, I think in my case (hey I was only 15 and she 17) I didn't bend to her will, and she thought that this was an appropriate response to that. It was in both my best interest, and hers to show that any action will be met with an opposite and equal reaction. Of course being almost ten years ago since I have been in any fight whatsoever, I could've calculated my response much better. I could've walked away form the relationship entirely (and indeed should have) but teenagers tend to carry their pride on their cuffs, and I wasn't about to allow people to see that I could be controlled by violence.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Due to societal pressure not to hit women, if one hit me, I would attempt to withdraw from the situation. Especially if she were 6 feet tall and weighed more than me.

However, if a woman slaps me, I would give her a warning not to do that again. If she slapped me again, I would return the slap. (I would not hit her with a closed fist, that could do some damage)

If she were attacking with a closed fist, that warrants a closed fist in self defense. Tough ta-tas if she gets hurt at that point. You don't assault people, you don't assault people who can hurt you, and you don't assault people who can hurt you with a closed fist. I might be a man but I don't deserve to be struck. I can shrug off a foolish mistake made in anger from a woman, but I would not tolerate any strikes which could actually do serious damage to me. At that point it's assault and like a nation attacking the United States, the retaliation will be swift, just, and overwhelming. Don't want to get hurt? Don't hurt people.

Every woman who has ever dated me knows I am a gentleman, I do not yell, I do not argue, I do not cheat, and I do not hit (first) or threaten to hit. Therefore, if a woman assaults me, I don't deserve it and I will retaliate with an appropriate amount of force. Appropriate meaning will not cause long term harm and for the purposes of defense, not vengeance.

However, if she comes at me with any kind of serious weapon, that's not assault to me. That's more like attempted murder, and at that point her life is in danger, just as mine would be. I won't play chivalrous towards an attempted murderer. I don't want to be put in a situation where I would have to hurt a woman (or a man, the few that I could do any sort of damage to). I would avoid the situation, I would attempt to withdraw, I would use minimum force necessary to defend myself, and if I were being assaulted with a deadly weapon I would dispense with the pleasantries.

I treat women with due respect. When they fail to do the same, I am disappointed. If they attack me I don't have any reason not to defend myself. I'm not a huge guy and I have to watch out for my own neck and there is zero shame in that.

[Megas Methuselah]

What if she derives sexual pleasure out of it?

[Beirut]

Way to go Beirut 3 times, must have been love

Yeah, sorry about that. My connection went glacial when I tried to post, so I tried again and those just pooped up through minutes later.