AP vs lethality

[Grade_A_Beef]

I'm playing as the Arverni at the moment, and I am just about to begin the war with the Romans. I have the choice of filling most of my army either with Teceitos/Alpine Phlanx or Batoroas (sp?) but I don't know which would be more effective on armored foes. The axemen have lower lethality but have AP, while the Batoroas get the high lethality longsword.

It would help a lot if someone told me if AP ever becomes more desirable (and when) over lethality, as I can tell that lethality is much more important on units with little armor.

[kekailoa]

If they're the Batroas from the north, get them for line troops and use the axemen as flankers and support. They're pretty lightly armored, so they won't stand up as well and the swordsmen have higher numbers, armor (I think) and the same morale and stamina.

[mountaingoat]

go hire some bastarne = end of rome

[Maion Maroneios]

go hire some bastarne = end of rome

Yeah right. Especially their excellent armour shall stand very long against their pilae. Bastarnai commanded by a Makedonian Strategos now, that is an entire different thing.

Maion

[mountaingoat]

Yeah right. Especially their excellent armour shall stand very long against their pilae.

Maion

roman will not live long enough to throw more than one

[satalexton]

Bataroas are excellent linetroops, I'd say they're the best non-hellene line troops.

[Grade_A_Beef]

I'll use Bataroas then.

Still, it'll be helpful to know if and when AP becomes more useful than lethality, because I plan to conquer the map with Arverni. The answer can help me determine how much Gaesatae I should use against the enemy. >_>

[Apázlinemjó]

I'll use Bataroas then.

Still, it'll be helpful to know if and when AP becomes more useful than lethality, because I plan to conquer the map with Arverni. The answer can help me determine how much Gaesatae I should use against the enemy. >_>

I think, AP becomes more useful against heavily armored units, like Thorakitai, Hoplites, Triarii, Medium -> Elit Phalanxes and such.

[satalexton]

units with AP allows them to go toe to toe with heavy units in a moshpit fight. Outside of that, their advantages are moot. Note, getting engaged into a moshpit is a challange in it's own right, it's not always easy to survive the missles and pikes while closing in....

[Grade_A_Beef]

Haha, yeah, that's true. I guess lethality is better in general then?

The Celts are surprisingly fun compared to other versions I've played (vanilla, RTR.) High charge bonus, abundant longswords in faction units, missiles before charge, and the occasional naked dude makes VH/M very easy... the romans rout on contact. I hope it'll stay like that even when I get to the steppes.

[Apázlinemjó]

Haha, yeah, that's true. I guess lethality is better in general then?

The Celts are surprisingly fun compared to other versions I've played (vanilla, RTR.) High charge bonus, abundant longswords in faction units, missiles before charge, and the occasional naked dude makes VH/M very easy... the romans rout on contact. I hope it'll stay like that even when I get to the steppes.

The steppe is a different story for barbarian factions. :P

[Xurr]

units with AP allows them to go toe to toe with heavy units in a moshpit fight. Outside of that, their advantages are moot. Note, getting engaged into a moshpit is a challange in it's own right, it's not always easy to survive the missles and pikes while closing in....

It's not that hard to get into a pike formation and "mosh pit" it. Just anchor it with a shield wall or heavy armor unit, then hit it from behind with your ap unit. I do this all the time with extraordinarii and they shred elite pikes units.

[Atraphoenix]

I still think falxmen are best for phalanx hunting. no matter from front or flank/rear.
galatians are too expensive to hire so long as you do not recruit them them yourself.