AP vs lethality

[Apázlinemjó]

I'll use Bataroas then.

Still, it'll be helpful to know if and when AP becomes more useful than lethality, because I plan to conquer the map with Arverni. The answer can help me determine how much Gaesatae I should use against the enemy. >_>

I think, AP becomes more useful against heavily armored units, like Thorakitai, Hoplites, Triarii, Medium -> Elit Phalanxes and such.

[satalexton]

units with AP allows them to go toe to toe with heavy units in a moshpit fight. Outside of that, their advantages are moot. Note, getting engaged into a moshpit is a challange in it's own right, it's not always easy to survive the missles and pikes while closing in....

[Grade_A_Beef]

Haha, yeah, that's true. I guess lethality is better in general then?

The Celts are surprisingly fun compared to other versions I've played (vanilla, RTR.) High charge bonus, abundant longswords in faction units, missiles before charge, and the occasional naked dude makes VH/M very easy... the romans rout on contact. I hope it'll stay like that even when I get to the steppes.

[Apázlinemjó]

Haha, yeah, that's true. I guess lethality is better in general then?

The Celts are surprisingly fun compared to other versions I've played (vanilla, RTR.) High charge bonus, abundant longswords in faction units, missiles before charge, and the occasional naked dude makes VH/M very easy... the romans rout on contact. I hope it'll stay like that even when I get to the steppes.

The steppe is a different story for barbarian factions. :P

[Grade_A_Beef]

Yeah, I know.....I prefer Pahlava

[Maion Maroneios]

The steppe is a different story for barbarian factions. :P

Not just a different story. Its their demise! I just love using Skythai to harass those pathetic Thrakes. Hehehe...

Maion

[Atraphoenix]

barbaroi has no chance in steppes while nomads have no chance in the middle European forests.
phalanx in the middle both no chance to expand there.
(I do not mean player, AI)
Maybe because of that reason Roman AI is so passive in my campaigns.

P.S. AP is only for heavily armored troops. Lethality is good in general... In fact I do not see much difference. maybe %10 -20 on casualty. So I can advice the size, choose the unit which has more man if AP unit has more man use it if lethality unit has more man use it. Cavalry is mastered by player, AI is not capable of using cavalry wisely. (Phalanx lovers' frontal charge) so I was about to give up fighting with cavalry dominated factions. I got tired battling 1-2 hours of micromanaging.....

[Cute Wolf]

AP -> useful against crazy armoured units, such as katas or TAB
Lethality -> useful against less armoured, but numerous units (kill them more often)..

The Celts (Aedui, Avernii, Casse), do have a chance to give a little punch in the ball for Sauromatae, in my opinion... Just try to use Neitos with some solduros as back up... and hiring some native HA's on their own... at least their FMs are cavalry, and won't be killed by one charge... Getai fare even better, coz they can field their own HA's

Sweboz? They are really different story to say...

[Xurr]

units with AP allows them to go toe to toe with heavy units in a moshpit fight. Outside of that, their advantages are moot. Note, getting engaged into a moshpit is a challange in it's own right, it's not always easy to survive the missles and pikes while closing in....

It's not that hard to get into a pike formation and "mosh pit" it. Just anchor it with a shield wall or heavy armor unit, then hit it from behind with your ap unit. I do this all the time with extraordinarii and they shred elite pikes units.

[Atraphoenix]

I still think falxmen are best for phalanx hunting. no matter from front or flank/rear.
galatians are too expensive to hire so long as you do not recruit them them yourself.

[antisocialmunky]

Bewarez of Cretans.

[Aemilius Paulus]

Indeed, the force of me is strong in those units. Anyone who possesses AP is powerful.

[antisocialmunky]

BTW- Numidians, they have AP clubs, bewarez of theys too.