AP vs lethality

**Grade_A_Beef** · 06-15-2009, 10:01

Haha, yeah, that's true. I guess lethality is better in general then?

The Celts are surprisingly fun compared to other versions I've played (vanilla, RTR.) High charge bonus, abundant longswords in faction units, missiles before charge, and the occasional naked dude makes VH/M very easy... the romans rout on contact. I hope it'll stay like that even when I get to the steppes.

**Apázlinemjó** · 06-15-2009, 10:27

Originally Posted by Grade_A_Beef

Haha, yeah, that's true. I guess lethality is better in general then?

The Celts are surprisingly fun compared to other versions I've played (vanilla, RTR.) High charge bonus, abundant longswords in faction units, missiles before charge, and the occasional naked dude makes VH/M very easy... the romans rout on contact. I hope it'll stay like that even when I get to the steppes.

The steppe is a different story for barbarian factions. :P

**Grade_A_Beef** · 06-15-2009, 10:31

Yeah, I know.....I prefer Pahlava

**Maion Maroneios** · 06-15-2009, 11:18

Originally Posted by Apázlinemjó

The steppe is a different story for barbarian factions. :P

Not just a different story. Its their demise! I just love using Skythai to harass those pathetic Thrakes. Hehehe...

Maion

**Atraphoenix** · 06-15-2009, 12:06

barbaroi has no chance in steppes while nomads have no chance in the middle European forests.
phalanx in the middle both no chance to expand there.
(I do not mean player, AI)
Maybe because of that reason Roman AI is so passive in my campaigns.

P.S. AP is only for heavily armored troops. Lethality is good in general... In fact I do not see much difference. maybe %10 -20 on casualty. So I can advice the size, choose the unit which has more man if AP unit has more man use it if lethality unit has more man use it. Cavalry is mastered by player, AI is not capable of using cavalry wisely. (Phalanx lovers' frontal charge) so I was about to give up fighting with cavalry dominated factions. I got tired battling 1-2 hours of micromanaging.....

**Cute Wolf** · 06-15-2009, 12:13

AP -> useful against crazy armoured units, such as katas or TAB
Lethality -> useful against less armoured, but numerous units (kill them more often)..

The Celts (Aedui, Avernii, Casse), do have a chance to give a little punch in the ball for Sauromatae, in my opinion... Just try to use Neitos with some solduros as back up... and hiring some native HA's on their own... at least their FMs are cavalry, and won't be killed by one charge... Getai fare even better, coz they can field their own HA's

Sweboz? They are really different story to say...

**Atraphoenix** · 06-15-2009, 12:18

Originally Posted by Cute Wolf

Sweboz? They are really different story to say...

sweboz needs no tactics just raise a huge army and use numerical superiority and curse gods why they have abandoned them.

sorry but that is the only survival for sweboz. getai AI always dominates middle europe even nearly wipe out sweboz. Plus I hate forest battles

so why I always leave them alone.

**Ca Putt** · 06-15-2009, 12:31

AP is sometimes vital for success but most AP troops suck at line duty-> you need good line holders. for those high lethality is not necessary but VERY usefull^^ as soon as you have the main roman line engaged storm in from the flanks with your AP dudes.

**Atraphoenix** · 06-15-2009, 12:50

though I have not test them hillmen/most axemen have numerical advantage (240) on falxmen (160)
but no idea whether falxmen compensate this with their AP points (axemen around 1.3 falx around 1.6)
but hillmen are wiped out by high lethality units.