AP vs lethality

**Cyclops** · 06-16-2009, 04:38

Its rare to get a line-worthy unit thats cheap enough to be mass produced and has AP. Is the pantopadoi phalanx such a unit? I have a vague memory the secondary is AP, and its poor lethality is offset by the pike.

Of course in the old builds you could hold a line with Irish or Vasci super heavies, and damn the expense

. Didn't much matter what the odds were either. I once swept the Carthies out of Africa in a Lussotannan endgame with 4 of those bad boys backed up by what amounted to an army-sized cheersquad that just looked on and suppressed their nausea.

It is one of the nice "rock-paper-scissors" elements that you can swamp an expensive elite with 2 cheap units (one line holder and one AP or javelin flanker)...if you have the time and space to effect the manouever.

**A Very Super Market** · 06-16-2009, 05:24

All, pantopadoi..... truly the kings of my battlefield. Machimoi have less armour, and Deuteroi lack AP axes. I wouldn't call them particularily cheap though. Still, they are very effective.

**Cute Wolf** · 06-16-2009, 07:13

Originally Posted by A Very Super Market

All, pantopadoi..... truly the kings of my battlefield. Machimoi have less armour, and Deuteroi lack AP axes. I wouldn't call them particularily cheap though. Still, they are very effective.

Seconded...

**Atraphoenix** · 06-16-2009, 15:16

Originally Posted by Cute Wolf

Seconded...

you can rout catas with them of course with axes and at ease (no holding position).

**antisocialmunky** · 06-16-2009, 16:07

Not to mention that they can rout their enemies by the sheer mass of mans.

**HunGeneral** · 06-16-2009, 17:06

Oh yeah Pantodapoi Phalangitai are some of the best close-combat phalangites out there. Theres many of them in one unit, they are somewhat armoured and getting hit by one of their AP axes is no pleasent experience.

Has anyone of you ever tried facing Cataphracts with Pantodapoi Ph.. using the Phalanx to "halt" the charge and then countercharge with there axes? I was thinking of trying this, but most of the time I could only use mass eastern axemen to kill Catas..

Originally Posted by Aemilius Paulus

The Komatai Epilektoi have a Celtic Longsword, with .225 lethality, but not AP.

Whoops... corrected. Thanks Aemilius Paulus!

**AttilaDerHunn** · 06-16-2009, 17:20

how can you find the unit stats ?

**Cute Wolf** · 06-16-2009, 18:30

EDU... means the file export_descr_unit.txt on your \EB\data\ folder

**Apázlinemjó** · 06-16-2009, 18:33

Originally Posted by AttilaDerHunn

how can you find the unit stats ?

It's the EDU - Export_Descr_Unit.txt , where you can find the stats.

It's in the Rome Total War/EB/Data folder.

Edit: Damn I was slower... :P

**Atraphoenix** · 06-17-2009, 09:44

Originally Posted by HunGeneral

Oh yeah Pantodapoi Phalangitai are some of the best close-combat phalangites out there. Theres many of them in one unit, they are somewhat armoured and getting hit by one of their AP axes is no pleasent experience.

Has anyone of you ever tried facing Cataphracts with Pantodapoi Ph.. using the Phalanx to "halt" the charge and then countercharge with there axes? I was thinking of trying this, but most of the time I could only use mass eastern axemen to kill Catas..

Whoops... corrected. Thanks Aemilius Paulus!

you did not read my previous message, did you?

yes you can rout AI catas with them , even I managed to rout grivpandar with them after first charge abandon phalanx and hold position and charge with axes.

**HunGeneral** · 06-17-2009, 12:23

Originally Posted by Atraphoenix

you did not read my previous message, did you?

yes you can rout AI catas with them , even I managed to rout grivpandar with them after first charge abandon phalanx and hold position and charge with axes.

I read your previous post but in that you didn't say you would wait for them in Phalanx formation and charge the Catas with axes after the impact. What you worte said using axes and not holding position. I though that meant tying down the Catatphracts somehow and then sending in the Pantodapoi Phlangites with there axes.... I quess is must have misunderstood the text.

**Atraphoenix** · 06-17-2009, 20:23

Originally Posted by HunGeneral

I read your previous post but in that you didn't say you would wait for them in Phalanx formation and charge the Catas with axes after the impact. What you worte said using axes and not holding position. I though that meant tying down the Catatphracts somehow and then sending in the Pantodapoi Phlangites with there axes.... I quess is must have misunderstood the text.

no you did not I had forgotten to add there "after their initial charge abandon phalanx"