Asterix and the Gauls [Concluded]

[Beskar]

I don't think we have the numbers to ensure them killed, they can defend themselves, remember.

[Splitpersonality]

I already said we can't recruit, if we could we would, we can't recruit anyone to our positions. One of us had a special thing for recruiting gauls to romans, but that won't work.

If you want to kill us, you can't, we can protect each other.

Just trust us for one night to try and hit gaul mafia?

[Beskar]

actually, if there are two kill groups on you, you need two defence.

[Splitpersonality]

Alright whatever then, would you just trust us?

The most we could do is hit two town roles, probably nobodies, or we could try and hit gaulish mafia. Anyone who opposes us taking a stab at gaulish mafia... well *shrug*

It'd be obvious where their thoughts lie.

[Beskar]

I am not sure on your power, but I presume you can defend yourselves. You could try defending one of you, would ensured you survived the night, but then, all you would have done was just survive a round, to no gain.

You could try targeting taka for example, but he would most likely be defended and even then, it seems very much like a cover role so you would have just killed a random townie and all you would have done would probably help the Gaul Mafia win the game at best.

Depends on what you want to do really. Defending is pointless, and attacking taka would probably be futile which probably just leaves random killings as your choice to try your best to get rid of the Gaul Mafia. On top of that, do you even know who they are?

Either way, you are pretty screwed.

[atheotes]

i am interested to see who split and iskander protecting each other will turn out... but the good news is we will all know what we should be doing.
kill split and iskander, protect taka. hopefully we can get everyone tied up, including hte gaul mafia. taka can investigate GH... my gut says beskar is mafia as well...

[Splitpersonality]

Taka will obviously be protected tonight, using both of us to attack him would be a waste too...

I already tell you, give me two suspects and let us take a crack at it, it's better than nothing.

[LittleGrizzly]

Chaotix and john if he's working with him, we need a protection group on taka most urgently!

maybe two seperate groups to be safe, then we need kill groups on all remaining mafia members. It doesn't matter as much about proving people are busy for the night, what matters is killing the mafia and protecting taka!

Infact we should have several groups all doing the same actions... ths way the mafia can wreck as few as possible...

Also here is a list of taka doubters and voters...

GH (voter)
CDF (doubter)
Beskar (voter, quickly changed though before the confession)
John (doubter)

Edit:

Hmm your offer is tempting... GH is a main suspect at the moment... would you be willing to target him ?

We could vig one of you whilst the other kills GH...

Would this be a fair deal ?

Obviously we would kill the remaining player the next day but it would give you a chance at some glory and the town some practical help...

[Splitpersonality]

I'm dead anyway, point them out and I'll do it.

[LittleGrizzly]

Well i can't by myself confirm to go after GH, from what i gathered from people's posts he seemed to be a top suspect.. especially for doubting Taka...

If others are happy to go along with it i am happy that we leave split alive tonight whilst we vig Iksander and split kills GH, tomorrow we lynch split...

Does this sound like a good plan to most of the town ?

[atheotes]

we did not see the Roman General's role PM... what if he has a recruitment ability... it will align with Split asking Chaotix for his faction as well...

if we get our groups organized properly it is only a matter of time before we find the gaul mafia... so why do we want to take a chance with known mafia - well thats my take on it

[Splitpersonality]

I already said to chaotix I was asking out of my own personal curiosity. Aside from that, we can't recruit someone to our level :/

[LittleGrizzly]

It is a bit of a gamble... and you'll have to excuse me for not automatically taking the word of the mafia...

Alternatively if recruiting is done as it is in Rubicon then it requires a night action... we could not let split or iksander now which one we are going to kill...

This way they both have to put orders in to kill Gh (or other chosen suspect) and we could possibly detect thier deciet if we kill the one who did order to kill GH and left the one who is recruiting alive... we would know (as suspect wouldn't be killed)... this depends on luck slightly...

[Tratorix]

I already said to chaotix I was asking out of my own personal curiosity. Aside from that, we can't recruit someone to our level :/

Yes, but you are mafia, and therefore we shouldn't trust you just so you might have a chance at killing a some gauls. Taka claims there is another investigator and after you guys are dead, we know we only need to look for gauls. It's too much risk, too little reward.

Edit: Grizz, in Rubicon only the leader could recruit and only if both his seconds were dead. We can lynch one today, take out one tonight and finish them of tommorrow with a lynch. They shouldn't have a chance to recruit even if they can.

[Splitpersonality]

Too much risk of what? If we could recruit we could do it ANYWAY in the night, killing us won't stop it...

[atheotes]

It is a bit of a gamble... and you'll have to excuse me for not automatically taking the word of the mafia...

Alternatively if recruiting is done as it is in Rubicon then it requires a night action... we could not let split or iksander now which one we are going to kill...

This way they both have to put orders in to kill Gh (or other chosen suspect) and we could possibly detect thier deciet if we kill the one who did order to kill GH and left the one who is recruiting alive... we would know (as suspect wouldn't be killed)... this depends on luck slightly...

question is, why do we even need to take this risk? if they end up recruiting someone we will have to fishing for one more mafia and what if he, as the general, could recruit more (which i highly doubt).... it only makes a mess... all this is unnecessary and i am firm in my belief that we should not trust the mafia. lets c what the rest have to say.

[Splitpersonality]

Trust me, the gaul mafia will kill us tonight. Regardless of if you want it to happen...

[Beskar]

Nah, they would work with the civilian groups in order not to bring suspect to themselves.

[Splitpersonality]

Hm...

[Chaotix]

Err... I hope you know that no good can come from trying to negotiate with the mafia.

John and I have worked something out with the night actions that will keep everyone busy, get rid of the Roman mafia, and keep taka from dying. The only thing we need to happen is for everyone to actually follow the orders.

[naut]

Well we only have to lynch one of the three to see if taka is telling the truth. The write-up will surely reveal whether he is lying or not.

Tally anybody?

Vote: AVSM

[LittleGrizzly]

Negotiation with the mafia isn't a completely bad idea... especially in games like this where there are two opposite sides and the town in the middle...

As a mafia member of one side i would certainly route for a town victory over my opposing mafia... i'd probably think the same in a regular mafia game but especially in one like this!

Regardless i seem to be in a minority opinion here... and actively working against group orders to enable a kill would just be very unhelpful and add to the confusion unnessecarily...

I am ready for your orders and will happily kill any mafia or protect taka...

Perhaps you should send them out now so there is absolutely no excuse for non compliance.

As a final note perhaps you should put those you trust most to follow orders onto protecting taka, failing to kill the mafia off in one round is less of a disaster then allowing taka to die... i think...

Edit:maybe two groups protecting taka incase the other mafia get lucky and are in taka protection group... with two groups the chances of one having a mafia in it are much reduced...

[pevergreen]

Its a bad idea.

See Netherworld mafia.

TinCow was revealed as the vigilante, but he played on and on about not killing anymore and only doing what the town said.

He was protected, got enough kills that he started his own mafia family, working with the pro-town and the insider in the mafia (me, i could go mafia or my own mafia family) and had me get rid of protown, he got rid of us and then won the game.

Lynch them and be done with it, then its just us vs. gaulish mafia.

[Death is yonder]

Quintus Kill Group
Greyblades- did not act, according to result pms and his own words.
Beskar- did not act, according to result pms and his own words.
johnhughtom- have his results, these are the correct ones.
Death is yonder- have his results, but they are fake! He still must have acted, however...

In all honesty, I just pressed quote and copied the whole thing here.

Unvote; Johnhughthom

With Taka's pm looking genuine and still full of mistakes, I'm inclined to believe that all of this is just plenty of typos on Ignoramus's part which have caused confusion.

Heck, I can even name you the exact time that I got the pm, which is 1.23 am GMT.

The EXACT wording was "one of them hasn't arrived yet"

I'm willing to overlook the possibility that John is lying as the game seems to be prevalent with typos, but I'm wondering of the extremely quick bandwagon on me. Either that, or Beskar or Greyblades has for some weird reason, intentionally lied, and have actually carried out the night action.

Vote:AVSM

Cut off the head, and the body won't be walking around any time soon.

[johnhughthom]

I'm willing to overlook the possibility that John is lying

Can you please explain how there is a possiblity I am lying as we know at least two people failed to send in two orders. The only possibilities are, you sent in orders but faked your role pm or Ignoramus made a mistake. I already decided Ignoramus made a mistake so please explain how you can have any suspicion of me?

[Death is yonder]

I'm leaving the possibilities open. 100% sure rarely happens for me.

At most, I give you the benefit of the doubt, which is what I'm doing now.

Probably in light of the latest entire reveal of the entire roman mafia family.

[johnhughthom]

I'm leaving the possibilities open. 100% sure rarely happens for me.

At most, I give you the benefit of the doubt, which is what I'm doing now.

Probably in light of the latest entire reveal of the entire roman mafia family.

Indeed there is always a possibility, I would simply like to hear your logic for how you can be suspicious of me from that situation. The only doubt is on you.

[Death is yonder]

My exact pm from Igno states "one of them"

Yours, states "2 of them"

Igno however, is prone to typos and mistakes as we have all seen, and thus, this could be the reason.

But, 1 and 2 are totally different things. I seriously doubt even though Igno makes typos here and there, he could mess up a thing that TOTALLY affects the gameplay and outcome due to its implications that one of us is lying.

Hence, the suspicion. Do you need more explanation?

In the possibility that Igno did not make a mistake, one of us is certainly lying, and both of us thinks its the other.

Which is why, I would be suspicious, cause WIFOM and all I know I'm telling the truth (or at least whats presented to me) and would wonder why the other would seek to lie. It COULD be that your a townie who is trying to seek faction victory, but that would be silly and stupid when we could all cooperate easier for the united town victory like in Rubicon.

That is why, I am suspicious of you, but I am willing to forgo it at least temporarily due to its confusion and possible mistakes from host.

[Beskar]

I just realised, taka is completely pro-town, etc, etc.

I been defending him for a couple of nights and I completely forgot all about it.

[johnhughthom]

Quintus Kill Group
Greyblades- did not act, according to result pms and his own words.
Beskar- did not act, according to result pms and his own words.
johnhughtom- have his results, these are the correct ones.
Death is yonder- have his results, but they are fake! He still must have acted, however...

I know two people didn't vote, I didn't lie and why would Greyblades and Beskar act and say they didn't. Why would you act and fake your pm? The only sensible conclusion is Ignoramus made an error, however your bringing up what I thought was a dead issue does make me wonder...