Asterix and the Gauls [Concluded]

[Chaotix]

Quintus Kill Group
Greyblades- did not act, according to result pms and his own words.
Beskar- did not act, according to result pms and his own words.
johnhughtom- have his results, these are the correct ones.
Death is yonder- have his results, but they are fake! He still must have acted, however...

This has to be more complicated than that, of course. John's results say there were two missing accomplices, while DiY's claim there was only one. Simply put, either Ignoramus made a mistake or one of you is lying.

Quintus Protect Group
Cultured Drizzt Fan- claims to have acted
Shinseikhaan- did not act
Psychonaut- confused and went with original group action
GeneralHankerchief- did not act

We still don't know whether this group acted or failed. Can I see CDF's results?

Phog Kill Group
atheotes- I have his orders. He acted.
Iskander 3.1- did not act, according to atheotes' results.
Marshal Murat- I have his orders. He acted.
White eyes:D- was confused, acted in an investigation group "with Yaropolk".

Can I have atheotes' results? That should clear things up here.

Phog Protect Group
A Very Super Market- accoreding to pever, did not act.
Quintus- same as AVSM
pevergreen- we have his results.
Beaver- dead, obviously
King Jan III Sobieski- probably wasn't even active

This group confuses me. I'm not sure if they really didn't act, or if pever only received that because nobody knew he was in the group. This needs more clarification by the members.

Beaver Kill Group
split- was confused, did not know his teammates
CountArach - cleared by my results, which said only one didn't show.
Chaotix- My results are in the thread a few pages back.
Caius- same as CountArach, also sent me his orders when he sent them to Igno.

I'm pretty sure I've got this group figured out.

Beaver Protect Group
El Diablo- didn't act, according to LG
Yaropolk- dead
Phog of War- dead
LittleGrizzly- we have his results
Cronos Impera- same as El Diablo.

The only thing we have to worry about here is LG lying...

And so, our grand FoS list goes something like this (Now in order of suspicion):

AVSM
Death is Yonder
El Diablo
Cronos Impera
Iskander
Greyblades
Beskar
Quintus
khaan
GeneralHankerchief
King Jan III



And here's a list of our confused individuals as well:
Psychonaut
white_eyes
splitpersonality

EDIT#1: I'm not going to keep re-posting this, just updating it. This edit contains details on Iskander and Greyblades.

EDIT#2: Quintus attack group supposedly solved. John is no longer on the FoS list.

EDIT#3: GH and khaan didn't act, so whatever the excuse I'm gonna have to put them on the list.

[atheotes]

Phog Kill Group
atheotes- I have his orders. He acted.
Iskander 3.1- will be cleared (or not) by results.
Marshal Murat- I have his orders. He acted.
White eyes:D- was confused, acted in an investigation group "with Yaropolk".

Can I have atheotes' results? That should clear things up here.

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Chaotix, I CCed you on my night action PM to Ignoramus. That alone will not prove i participated in the group action. I can send in another order after that and the newest one will stand. So we need the results from Marshal Murat as well.

i will forward my night actions results

[LittleGrizzly]

The one thing is, El Diablo didn't seem to even realise i was in his group. Are you sure you included my name in the pms to other members of the group...

If they didn't include my name that would be the reason no one showed up...

Edit: just read my pm and its pretty clear i am in the group and that pm was sent to ED...

[LittleGrizzly]

Vote El Diablo

subject to change but based on what i know so far..

Edit

Get pevergreen and Greyblades to investigate me.... seen as they refuse to protect or kill...

I will give you my faction (which afaik noone else knows) and then you can compare the results they give you with this..

Its a good way to keep the uncooperative occupied and without an excuse...

Either that or threatening to kill them worked well for me last time..

[Chaotix]

I can keep pevergreen on defense, he'll agree to that.

As for Greyblades: I posted in the thread, offering to set up conflicting night groups for everyone, before the night phase even started. A short discussion followed, where several people approved, and nobody disapproved, so I decided to take the job.

Then, I sent the pms out, while there were still roughly 24 hours left in the phase due to Igno's extension, and paraphrased what I just said in every pm.

I didn't know that you didn't want to be in an action group, because you never said a word about it. You didn't mention anything in the thread, nor did you pm me back with questions or complaints.

So please don't complain to me now that I "pm'ed you out of the blue without asking you", because given the circumstances it's really not a valid excuse.

Edit to Iskander: His failed kill results. He cc'ed me orders, Murat cc'ed me orders, and we know that white_eyes didn't act. The orders reported two missing people. Therefore, you most probably have not acted

[Iskander 3.1]

I can keep pevergreen on defense, he'll agree to that.

Hmmm...if this is like Rubicon, if a mafia takes part in a group kill his power will push through the defense and result in a kill, regardless of who defends. FoS: Pever?

Edit to Chaotix I didn't cc orders, but keep in mind that just because someone sent in orders doesn't mean that they didn't change later. Here's a copy of what I sent to Ignoramus (copied from my outbox).

Sent to Ignoramus at 10:21 a.m. PST yesterday:
If it's not too late, I am going to Kill: Phog of War. This kill attempt will be done along with atheotes, Marshal Murat, and White_eyes:D

[atheotes]

Hmmm...if this is like Rubicon, if a mafia takes part in a group kill his power will push through the defense and result in a kill, regardless of who defends. FoS: Pever?

good point... i was just thinking about that

[atheotes]

Sent to Ignoramus at 10:21 a.m. PST yesterday:
If it's not too late, I am going to Kill: Phog of War. This kill attempt will be done along with atheotes, Marshal Murat, and White_eyes:D

that means i sent in my actions about 5 hours after you did...

[Greyblades]

I didnt reply because I was kinda engrossed in a new game at the time all the time I spent on my computer not playing it was making the role PMs in cold war cataclysm.

[Greyblades]

Deja-vu all over again.
I didn't act because, like little grizzly did in the rubicon game, you PMed me out of the blue, without even asking if I wanted to help you or was doing something else, and told me that I was to kill quintus.

[johnhughthom]

Quintus Kill Group
Greyblades- did not act, according to result pms and his own words.
Beskar- did not act, according to result pms
johnhughtom- have his results
Death is yonder- have his results

This has to be more complicated than that, of course. John's results say there were two missing accomplices, while DiY's claim there was only one. Simply put, either Ignoramus made a mistake or one of you is lying.

Looks clear to me Death is yonder is lying, can you let us know your actions and result Beskar.
Vote:Death is yonder

[LittleGrizzly]

Beskar could really help clear this one way or the other...

If he didn't get his action in DiY is lieing, if he did, johnhugh is lieing...

Beskar ?

[johnhughthom]

Actually I'm hoping Beskar did get his orders in.

[Chaotix]

Actually I'm hoping Beskar did get his orders in.

Yes; if Beskar did not act, then the only possibility is that DiY was lying but still got orders in. That doesn't make too much sense.

If Beskar acted, then there are two possibilities:

Either DiY is telling the truth, but John acted even though he lied,

Or John is telling the truth, and it was only John and Beskar that acted.

[johnhughthom]

Thank you Chaotix, I was getting a sore heading working out how to explain the logic, now I don't have to.

[Chaotix]

Iskander: I am aware that order changes may have occurred. Because of this, I'd also like to see Murat's results before I advocate your lynch.

I have to say, I do think it's odd that Ignoramus didn't send you results, but it's definitely possible, too.

John: By the logic I've been using, it seems more likely to me that you are telling the truth. I'd still like to hear from Beskar before I make a decision on that, though.

[atheotes]

John: By the logic I've been using, it seems more likely to me that you are telling the truth. I'd still like to hear from Beskar before I make a decision on that, though.

you can also ask them to forward the result PMs.

[seireikhaan]

So yeah, to quote His Pizza-ness.... That was a cluster and a half of something that rhymes with duck,

I PM'd GH to offer to help out. Then Chaotix apparently got into the dealio somehow, and then I was told we'd "figure it out" by Monday. Never got a PM after that, so I had no idear who was supposed to be doing what. Apparently I was not alone in this.

Frankly, there's so much strewn all over this as to who did what and who was supposed to do what and who might've just been wishing for quiet night over few cups of tea....

This is why I'm not terribly fond of pro-town groups. Oh well. Vote: Death is Yonder. Apparently some kind of inconsistency with his reporting.

[Chaotix]

Hello, all. Since no one objected to me setting up the conflict groups for tonight, I will be... well, setting them up.

The job of all four of you (khaan, GH, taka, Phog), as well as for myself, for tonight is to Protect Quintus. If all of us act, we should have a larger group than the attacking group, so we have nothing to worry about.

Have fun!

PM was sent to GH, khaan, taka, and Phog of War, on June 27 (2 days ago). However, I can understand your confusion, because later taka, myself, and Phog were removed and replaced by CDF and Psychonaut, without notifying you.

Also, I've received a pm from Beskar- he did not get his night actions in. That means there were two who acted and two who didn't. Johnhughthom has the truthful result pm, but I am unsure why Death is Yonder would put out a fake one if he was doing the action as well.

[GeneralHankerchief]

My fault about the Quintus protection not going through. I thought we had more time to work things out and I arrived back from work on Monday morning with the night having already concluded.

[Beskar]

Looks clear to me Death is yonder is lying, can you let us know your actions and result Beskar.
Vote:Death is yonder

Sure, I can do. It was entirely my error, so I apologise in advance.

Basically, I worked with Yaropolk all the way through the game in groups, I was expecting orders from him, but they never came and thus I never sent in any orders at all.

Then admittedly, I saw Choasix's pm saying to do orders to kill some one, and I was like "Why am I being randomed out of the blue to attempt to kill some one?"

Anyway, so I am sorry for my lack of action also in advance, if you want me to do orders, could you put me in a defence group as well?

[Death is yonder]

Quintus Kill Group
Greyblades- did not act, according to result pms and his own words.
Beskar- did not act, according to result pms and his own words.
johnhughtom- have his results, these are the correct ones.
Death is yonder- have his results, but they are fake! He still must have acted, however...

In all honesty, I just pressed quote and copied the whole thing here.

Unvote; Johnhughthom

With Taka's pm looking genuine and still full of mistakes, I'm inclined to believe that all of this is just plenty of typos on Ignoramus's part which have caused confusion.

Heck, I can even name you the exact time that I got the pm, which is 1.23 am GMT.

The EXACT wording was "one of them hasn't arrived yet"

I'm willing to overlook the possibility that John is lying as the game seems to be prevalent with typos, but I'm wondering of the extremely quick bandwagon on me. Either that, or Beskar or Greyblades has for some weird reason, intentionally lied, and have actually carried out the night action.

Vote:AVSM

Cut off the head, and the body won't be walking around any time soon.

[johnhughthom]

I'm willing to overlook the possibility that John is lying

Can you please explain how there is a possiblity I am lying as we know at least two people failed to send in two orders. The only possibilities are, you sent in orders but faked your role pm or Ignoramus made a mistake. I already decided Ignoramus made a mistake so please explain how you can have any suspicion of me?

[Death is yonder]

I'm leaving the possibilities open. 100% sure rarely happens for me.

At most, I give you the benefit of the doubt, which is what I'm doing now.

Probably in light of the latest entire reveal of the entire roman mafia family.

[johnhughthom]

I'm leaving the possibilities open. 100% sure rarely happens for me.

At most, I give you the benefit of the doubt, which is what I'm doing now.

Probably in light of the latest entire reveal of the entire roman mafia family.

Indeed there is always a possibility, I would simply like to hear your logic for how you can be suspicious of me from that situation. The only doubt is on you.

[Death is yonder]

My exact pm from Igno states "one of them"

Yours, states "2 of them"

Igno however, is prone to typos and mistakes as we have all seen, and thus, this could be the reason.

But, 1 and 2 are totally different things. I seriously doubt even though Igno makes typos here and there, he could mess up a thing that TOTALLY affects the gameplay and outcome due to its implications that one of us is lying.

Hence, the suspicion. Do you need more explanation?

In the possibility that Igno did not make a mistake, one of us is certainly lying, and both of us thinks its the other.

Which is why, I would be suspicious, cause WIFOM and all I know I'm telling the truth (or at least whats presented to me) and would wonder why the other would seek to lie. It COULD be that your a townie who is trying to seek faction victory, but that would be silly and stupid when we could all cooperate easier for the united town victory like in Rubicon.

That is why, I am suspicious of you, but I am willing to forgo it at least temporarily due to its confusion and possible mistakes from host.

[Beskar]

I just realised, taka is completely pro-town, etc, etc.

I been defending him for a couple of nights and I completely forgot all about it.