Asterix and the Gauls [Concluded]

[johnhughthom]

Thank you Chaotix, I was getting a sore heading working out how to explain the logic, now I don't have to.

[seireikhaan]

So yeah, to quote His Pizza-ness.... That was a cluster and a half of something that rhymes with duck,

I PM'd GH to offer to help out. Then Chaotix apparently got into the dealio somehow, and then I was told we'd "figure it out" by Monday. Never got a PM after that, so I had no idear who was supposed to be doing what. Apparently I was not alone in this.

Frankly, there's so much strewn all over this as to who did what and who was supposed to do what and who might've just been wishing for quiet night over few cups of tea....

This is why I'm not terribly fond of pro-town groups. Oh well. Vote: Death is Yonder. Apparently some kind of inconsistency with his reporting.

[Beskar]

Looks clear to me Death is yonder is lying, can you let us know your actions and result Beskar.
Vote:Death is yonder

Sure, I can do. It was entirely my error, so I apologise in advance.

Basically, I worked with Yaropolk all the way through the game in groups, I was expecting orders from him, but they never came and thus I never sent in any orders at all.

Then admittedly, I saw Choasix's pm saying to do orders to kill some one, and I was like "Why am I being randomed out of the blue to attempt to kill some one?"

Anyway, so I am sorry for my lack of action also in advance, if you want me to do orders, could you put me in a defence group as well?

[Chaotix]

Hello, all. Since no one objected to me setting up the conflict groups for tonight, I will be... well, setting them up.

The job of all four of you (khaan, GH, taka, Phog), as well as for myself, for tonight is to Protect Quintus. If all of us act, we should have a larger group than the attacking group, so we have nothing to worry about.

Have fun!

PM was sent to GH, khaan, taka, and Phog of War, on June 27 (2 days ago). However, I can understand your confusion, because later taka, myself, and Phog were removed and replaced by CDF and Psychonaut, without notifying you.

Also, I've received a pm from Beskar- he did not get his night actions in. That means there were two who acted and two who didn't. Johnhughthom has the truthful result pm, but I am unsure why Death is Yonder would put out a fake one if he was doing the action as well.

[GeneralHankerchief]

My fault about the Quintus protection not going through. I thought we had more time to work things out and I arrived back from work on Monday morning with the night having already concluded.

[johnhughthom]

If Beskar didn't act that is very odd, unless Ignoramus has made a mistake...

Unvote: Death is yonder

[Beskar]

You know, its a good thing we never acted if the protection group failed.

[Caius]

FoS: Caius, CountArach, splitpersonality.

Edit: additionally, it seems the protection group on Phog of War failed, and the vigilantes were allowed to kill him.

Then it was CA. Because I sent the mail, and I wrote you one hour after you sent the last PM.

[Chaotix]

It was splitpersonality, Caius. He's already admitted to not sending in the action. My results imply that both you and CA were there, though, because only one person was missing from the action.

[Beskar]

Unless Choatix is actually the Mafia and Splitpersonality is his partner or some one he convinced to send in result as he went on his killing spree.

Who would expect the leader of the townie group to be the true Mafia. He would know who gets protected, thus know who to kill and influence who to lynch.

[Caius]

It was splitpersonality, Caius. He's already admitted to not sending in the action. My results imply that both you and CA were there, though, because only one person was missing from the action.

Now that I see the new page... you are right. Sorry CA.

[Chaotix]

Unless Choatix is actually the Mafia and Splitpersonality is his partner or some one he convinced to send in result as he went on his killing spree.

Who would expect the leader of the townie group to be the true Mafia. He would know who gets protected, thus know who to kill and influence who to lynch.

That is some tasty WIFOM indeed. If you guys find me suspicious, please show it with your votes. There is a role investigator in the game, so I can be cleared as a townie if you deem it's worth more than finding a potential mafioso.

[atheotes]

Unless Choatix is actually the Mafia and Splitpersonality is his partner or some one he convinced to send in result as he went on his killing spree.

Who would expect the leader of the townie group to be the true Mafia. He would know who gets protected, thus know who to kill and influence who to lynch.

One way to avoid that is have atleast one more person working with Chaotix to organize things... that when chaotix gets targeted we will have someone with knowledge of whats happening.

Also, we have to ensure that all active people are part of protection/kill groups - ensuring no kills from the active players. the inactive players can be lynched. if we have them in townie groups it will only result in more confusion when they dont act.

All the people who dont want to be part of Vigilante groups, please tell us why.

[Tratorix]

Well,this makes me feel a lot better about not being able to organize one of these groups the first night. Good luck guys, your gonna need it.

Also, QuintusJC status: Still alive, Still guilty.

[Iskander 3.1]

All the people who dont want to be part of Vigilante groups, please tell us why.

Good idea. I'd still like to know why Pever doesn't want to take part in kills...

[Beskar]

Also, we have to ensure that all active people are part of protection/kill groups - ensuring no kills from the active players. the inactive players can be lynched. if we have them in townie groups it will only result in more confusion when they dont act.

All the people who dont want to be part of Vigilante groups, please tell us why.

Your first point make sense, I will join vigilante kill groups if that is the case then. That I can accept.

However, you can kill innocents if you do it to just anyone, which makes it easier for the Mafia to win. Do you want to assist the Mafia in winning?

[El Diablo]

I have not recieved a night action result.

Does this mean that our host did njot get mine?

[johnhughthom]

All the people who dont want to be part of Vigilante groups, please tell us why.

Perhaps the fact it has been quite pathetic so far and caused more confusion than anything...

Just to be clear, I will take part but it seems shambolic so far compared to the devilishly well organised group I went up against in Rubicon. I would be happier if LG was in charge. No, I'm not sure of his innocence, then again I'm not sure of Chaotix'.

[atheotes]

Your first point make sense, I will join vigilante kill groups if that is the case then. That I can accept.

However, you can kill innocents if you do it to just anyone, which makes it easier for the Mafia to win. Do you want to assist the Mafia in winning?

for this strategy to work, we need all the players to be active. inactive players are a real hindrance. so we should have inactive players as targets... we might lose the odd player at the cost of finding the mafia
if the groups contain active players, the chances of the protection group failing without revealing mafia is very slim.

[Tratorix]

Perhaps the fact it has been quite pathetic so far and caused more confusion than anything...

Just to be clear, I will take part but it seems shambolic so far compared to the devilishly well organised group I went up against in Rubicon. I would be happier if LG was in charge. No, I'm not sure of his innocence, then again I'm not sure of Chaotix'.

You also have to remember the group in Rubicon was backed by two power town roles who could investigate, switch votes and convert townies into confirmed innocents. It's ridiculous to think just setting up conflicting Kill/ Protect groups would be just as effective. Hopefully it will help reveal some mafia, but not if people all drop out because of a few bumps in the road. Besides, it's not like you have anything better to do in the night phase... right?

[Beskar]

If you are desperate, make me. All I can be accused of is game negligence and paying attention to my mini-mafia games.

Though, you are all missing a big problem. What happens if the Mafia just complies? It will stalemate the game for good and the Mafia just win because people gave up.

[johnhughthom]

Besides, it's not like you have anything better to do in the night phase... right?

You did read the first sentence of the second paragraph? I was just suggesting why people may not want to take part and saying it could be better organised by somebody with experience of doing it.

[Tratorix]

You did read the first sentence of the second paragraph? I was just suggesting why people may not want to take part and saying it could be better organised by somebody with experience of doing it.

Wasn't trying to accuse you, just keeping you on your toes.

I was just pointing out the reason that this group doesn't seem nearly as effective. LG does have a bit more experience, but someone put forth the idea of him doing it early in the game, and he didn't seem too thrilled about the idea. Chaotix has stepped forward and tried his best, even if it didn't work so well last night.

[atheotes]

Perhaps the fact it has been quite pathetic so far and caused more confusion than anything...

Just to be clear, I will take part but it seems shambolic so far compared to the devilishly well organised group I went up against in Rubicon. I would be happier if LG was in charge. No, I'm not sure of his innocence, then again I'm not sure of Chaotix'.

i disagree - it was only in the end game in Rubicon (after the elimination of the Pompeians iirc) did it become well organized. Sasaki twice failed to give me night actions after getting my consent and let me go about my business as mafia. all the information was not out in the thread for everyone to know (no offense to Sasaki or anyone - the mafia lost because of the coordination )
it is just that it is difficult to organize such a large number of players including inactive ones. we did not get it right the first time we tried it....so what? the strategy won the game for the town in Rubicon and i do not see why it should not work.

[johnhughthom]

OK, if you need help co-ordinating things Chaotix I volunteer. May as well put my time where my mouth is...

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

ugghhh this is complicated, Chaotix here is what happened. I talked with GH about it and I believe that things simply got really messed up. I was also contacted out of the blue by you, which was slightly annoying I must say. and GH also never responded to my PM saying I was willing to help, which made the fact I was supposed to be in the Quintus group kinda WTF?

You wait several hours for your accomplices to arrive. Several hours pass, however, and none of them have arrived. As the night drags on you get increasingly frustrated and in the end go to bed.

Guarding failed.

[Chaotix]

OK, if you need help co-ordinating things Chaotix I volunteer. May as well put my time where my mouth is...

If you're willing to help out, I'd much appreciate it. I definitely could use a little assistance in setting up these groups and making sure everyone acts.

[Ignoramus]

Sorry about the full PM box.

I need to receive PM's from all people involved in night actions. A list of the participants doesn't cut it.

[Ignoramus]

@ Game host Ignoramus

What would happen to a voting tie?

A vote off would happen.

I've stopped sending Pm's to the mafia for successful kills, as they know what happened from the write-ups.

[Chaotix]

I've stopped sending Pm's to the mafia for successful kills, as they know what happened from the write-ups.

What a coincidence.

Vote: Iskander

Don't worry, the real incriminating evidence will come later. In fact, your whole mafia family may as well just give up.