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    In EB we experienced for the first time(I guess) that marian reforms dont just give u different troops but also somewhat reflect the depth of the reform. Before the marian reforms u can't recruit roman troops outside of Italy. After the reforms every roman citizen is welcome to join the army. My seggestion is that perhaps in EB II this could possibly go a step further. For example in the camillan era the army was composed of land owners and they were distinguished among hastati, principes and triarii acoording to the amount of land they owned. Maybe in EB II it could be possible to associate the farming level in a region with the units that can be produced there. Also pre-Marian troops could cost the region a reduction in farming production, since land owners leave their crops and fields to join the army. Post marian troops could have the opposite effect since they joined the army because they had no other job to do and received land when they retired.
    I also wonder if there is a way to reflect in the game the fact that Carthage rarely recruited troops and filled their land forces by hiring mercenaries. Perhaps the barracks can recruit a very limited number of Carthaginian troops and the regions Carthage in africa and new Carthage in spain could have access to unlimited mercenary troops. And of course Carthage should begin the game with a large amount of gold and rich trade income to be able to pay for the mercenaries, which is what historically happened.
    Perhaps they could get a reform that creates the ability to produce native armies if they survive the punic wars.

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    This isn't how we are going to handle the Roman reforms, however they will be more subtle than in EBI. I'd rather not say more.
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    One thing I'm slightly curious about is if a faction gets a unit overhaul after completing a reform, will other factions be able to recruit the reformed units if they conquer homeland regions of reformed factions?

    I know its possible to update merc pools in medieval based on the year, but is it possible to update based upon a triggered reform?

    The first question will likely end up being rhetorical and I don't, by any means, expect an answer before it's available, but rather, I hope it is something that is considered.

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    I read somewhere that M2TW allows faction-specific merc pools, so there is an opportunity to really cut back on Karthi factional troops and force them to hike out and buy the bulk of their boys in the marketplace. They could have more mercs (both variety and quantity) to reflect their mercenary-usuing attitude to war.

    Thje same mechanism might apply for certain famous "allied" forces like Galatians, Illyrians and Agrianes (the Mako/Epirote variety), available as mercs rather than in civilised cities but only to historically appropriate employers.

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    The Karthis have a lot of regionals, which sort of lends itself to be viewed as mercenaries. Ideally, they should cost more than normal, but I think that would mean either increasing the cost for everyone (Which wouldn't solve anything) or making a new unit for each.
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    'Sides, if mercs are actually more costly than levies or militias is anything but cut and dried. After all, you're just expending cold hard cash (and usually generous looting rights) to hire some foreigner to fight under your banners. That means you're not taking your own people out of productive labour, say farming, and as the French wryly observed in the 1500s, also means your potential enemies have one less man to hire against *you*...

    Also, enrolling them as mercenaries was often the most effective way to keep diverse highland tribes and suchlike out of mischief (ie. raiding your stuffs for fun and profit) and make them useful...
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