Happiness vs law vs public order

[Fierro]

I'm kind of confused as to what exactly all of those mean and do.

I know Law cuts down corruption and increases public order. But I'm not sure what happiness does, does it only increasue public order without actually doing anything else? If that is the case why even refer to it as happiness when there are several buildings that only increase "public order" without mentioning "happiness"?

While on the topic, I know at 65% and below there are riots and increasing chances of revolts. After the 70% level does having a higher public order have any other direct effect other than creating a buffer in case units or governors are removed?

[lionhard]

Happiness increases population growth and Trade lol i missed that off

[Mikhail Mengsk]

and...?

[Maion Maroneios]

... and idea?

Maion

[lionhard]

And trade i think lol

Edit: im in work so makin sneaky posts lol

[Fierro]

Happiness increases population growth and Trade lol i missed that off

Are you sure you're not confusing happiness with health? I haven't noticed any other effects from happiness other than public order

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

Happiness just increases public order, as far as I know.
Health increases public order, increases population growth, and cuts back on squalor.

[jhhowell]

Note, buildings which say "+x% public order" do absolutely nothing. I've gone through the EDB and changed all such entries to whichever of happiness or law was easiest to edit. It can make a big difference - for Rome, with the default EDB there's no public order difference between gov.II and gov.IV, with the fix there's a 15-20% swing (I remember II is +10%, I forget whether IV is -5% or -10%). Not to mention all the unique location buildings which still have "public order" bonuses in the default EDB - a bunch of those were fixed in 1.0 but not nearly all of them, sadly.

[miotas]

I always prefer law buildings to hapiness, law improves public order and reduces unrest and corruption, whereas happiness just improves public order.

[Fierro]

Note, buildings which say "+x% public order" do absolutely nothing. I've gone through the EDB and changed all such entries to whichever of happiness or law was easiest to edit. It can make a big difference - for Rome, with the default EDB there's no public order difference between gov.II and gov.IV, with the fix there's a 15-20% swing (I remember II is +10%, I forget whether IV is -5% or -10%). Not to mention all the unique location buildings which still have "public order" bonuses in the default EDB - a bunch of those were fixed in 1.0 but not nearly all of them, sadly.

Wow can anybody confirm this?

[jhhowell]

Wow can anybody confirm this?

Load a campaign as Carthage, look at Sardinia, destroy the unique building there, and see no change in public order despite the loss of a "+5% public order" building. Or if you prefer, play almost any eastern faction and use temples to test it. I know AS Marduk temples have a mix of happiness, law, and "public order" bonuses. Or there's my previous example of Roman governments. This is not an obscure or subtle point, it's pretty obvious if you pay attention while you're playing.

[mountaingoat]

is any of this related to rebels showing up in a province ? or is this just random.

[miotas]

AFAIK the lieklyhood of rebels is related to unrest, so law buildings should reduce the chance of rebels showing up.

[Knight of Heaven]

You can see the efects and wich area of influence in the city scroll. Happiness increse public order, as same law and city garrison, also helps decreasing culture penalty, sometime gives boost on population growth, like entertainement buildings.
Unrest is a result of armies passing by in the region, or rebels bloking roads, or ports. Sometimes unrest is influenced by culture or distance from capital, as well enemy spies in the city. Other times is a certan character in the city who gives negative efects on the population and public order.