Wireless Internet as Defense Tool

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

I want transparency. I'm perfectly happy watching the Saudis collapse just as soon as Islamic theocracies aren't there to gain from it. Freedom for everybody as a strategy, not a one size fits all.

So no, no free internet for bloggers in Egypt or Suadi Arabia until the US stands to gain from their government collapsing.

This liberty works in strange ways.

[Husar]

Why not? Please explain? I recognize that digital signals are different, but what ae the limitations.

radio waves are one-directional, you have a powerful sender and the receiver is entirely passive, it gets the full load of info and just picks the channel it wants, the internet has no channel, contact is usually established by the user, whose device has to request the info from the server the website is on, that means the iranian or whoever would have to send data to the ship, no normal WLAN device can send data over hundreds of miles/kilometers, they would never get a connection...

Cellphone networks have more range afaik but like I said they can heat up your ear by about a degree Celsius already, given that you fed them more energy and could extend their range far enough to cover a few hundred kilometers, they might heat up your entire body by a few degrees if you were close so that doesn't sound very helpful to me either, and that's ignoring the heavily increased energy needs in the first place.

But that's generally the problem, the end user device has to send all sorts of data, requests, answers etc. to your ship in order to use the internet so the ship would have to handle hundreds, thousands or even millions of connections and all these devices would need strong enough signals to send data to the ship.

Might work with certain wavelengths and specially designed devices for people living near the coast but then you'd have to import those specially designed devices first etc. etc.

[Sheogorath]

Operation Dude

A US Airforce operation whereby flights of B-52's will drop 1,000,000 Dell laptops into Iran in the name of Freedom.

Or perhaps...

Operation Ted

Using a subterranean drilling device, the United States Army will extend the series of tubes to every corner of Iran. In the name of Freedom.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Operation Dude

A US Airforce operation whereby flights of B-52's will drop 1,000,000 Dell laptops into Iran in the name of Freedom.

Dell computers? Encouraging bad customer service, are we?

[ICantSpellDawg]

radio waves are one-directional, you have a powerful sender and the receiver is entirely passive, it gets the full load of info and just picks the channel it wants, the internet has no channel, contact is usually established by the user, whose device has to request the info from the server the website is on, that means the iranian or whoever would have to send data to the ship, no normal WLAN device can send data over hundreds of miles/kilometers, they would never get a connection...

Cellphone networks have more range afaik but like I said they can heat up your ear by about a degree Celsius already, given that you fed them more energy and could extend their range far enough to cover a few hundred kilometers, they might heat up your entire body by a few degrees if you were close so that doesn't sound very helpful to me either, and that's ignoring the heavily increased energy needs in the first place.

But that's generally the problem, the end user device has to send all sorts of data, requests, answers etc. to your ship in order to use the internet so the ship would have to handle hundreds, thousands or even millions of connections and all these devices would need strong enough signals to send data to the ship.

Might work with certain wavelengths and specially designed devices for people living near the coast but then you'd have to import those specially designed devices first etc. etc.

The "One laptop per child" program had a wireless matrix that worked. The more users the faster it would work - all while eventually sending information back through a main wireless hub. With enough users the web would go full circle, no longer going through only one hub, but more as the network expanded to reach them.

A few years ago most people couldn't even conceptualize WiFi. With newer systems individuals are going to connect to the global web through one another with each system acting as a little hub itself within a mesh network.

picture diagram here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:XO...net_access.jpg

This plan will not only spread words, but economic ideas, helping to build 3rd world networks over time. These technologies can be used in cellphones, laptops or desktops. Are you familiar with mesh networks?

[Husar]

This plan will not only spread words, but economic ideas, helping to build 3rd world networks over time. These technologies can be used in cellphones, laptops or desktops. Are you familiar with mesh networks?

Yes, hadn't thought of them, keep in mind though that 1. you'd still have to get relatively close to the coast for it to work, not sure how far these one laptop per child things reach but I don't think it's several kilometers, satellite phones also reach up to satellites but there is usually only air in between, no mountains trees or big chunks of water (clouds of course, not sure how they interfere).

And then since they're already cracking down on satellite dishes in some countries, they could probably identify and find the devices spreading the connection. And then you'd somehow have to connect the ships to the internet with enough bandwidth to supply entire countries...

[Fragony]

Maybe a good idea after all http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/132073

Even better if Israel does it.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

That would probably be almost as bad as us straight-up invading.

[Fragony]

Have a go, not the least (well ok, but ok)

Break the silence
25/06/2009
“In the end it is not the words used by our enemies that we shall remember, but the silence of our friends.” With these legendary words Martin Luther King expressed what the Iranian people must be feeling at this moment. In the streets of Iran, hundreds of thousands of people are risking their lives for freedom. The free West however still chooses to remain frightfully silent.

It becomes more and more difficult for the protesters in Iran to raise their voices peacefully. The regime of Khamenei and Ahmadinejad has been successful in blocking various channels of communication and those who nevertheless succeed in using the internet and phone lines, are risking their very lives.

For millions of Euros western companies have sold technologies to a murderous regime without any scruple. This regime has, with the aid of these Western technologies, accomplished to make organizing protests and relaying information to Western media and people in Iran a life threatening endeavour. The price for this unethical act by Western companies of supporting a tyrannous regime is being paid for by the peaceful protesters in Iran.

It is urgent to make a stand against the suppression of peaceful protesters, against the stranglehold of this regime’s censorship, against the cowardly position of political neutrality and against the complicity of silence. It is pressing to defend democratic values. The same kind of technologies used by the regime in Iran to suppress Iranian people, can be utilised to circumvent censorship and to set up anonymous proxy servers for people in Iran.

At this moment many computers in the Netherlands only use a fraction of their internet bandwidth. This excess bandwidth can be rerouted to Iranian protesters in order to enable the free and anonymous flow of information. This way they will be able to share information with each other and with Western media.

These times demand more than ‘political neutrality’ as silence can only be seen as complicity. We can not commemorate hundreds of thousands of people who fought for our freedom in the past and abandon those who are fighting for the same, right at this moment.

We therefore appeal to every company, organization and university in The Netherlands to make part of their servers and network bandwidth available to the Iranian protesters. We ask every company, organization and university in the Netherlands to stand for democratic values, the price of which is being paid by the lives of people in Iran, partially due to our own Western technologies.

Mr. D.A.J. Suurland, Ph.D Candidate Department of Jurisprudence and Philosophy of Law (spokesman)

Damon Golriz, lecturer, The Hague University

Dr. Amanda Kluveld, historian, University of Amsterdam

Marina Lacroix, lecturer Political Science, University of Amsterdam

Arthur Wolff, student Systems Engineering, Policy Analysis & Management at Delft University of Technology

Committee of Recommendation

Hans van Baalen (a Dutch Member of the European Parliament)

Prof. Tom Barkhuysen (Professor of Constitutional and Administrative Law at Leiden University)

Prof. Henri Beunders (Professor of History, Media and Culture at Erasmus University Rotterdam)

Prof. Frits Bolkestein (Professor of Law, Social and Behavioural Sciences and former Dutch European Commissioner)

Harry van Bommel (a Dutch parliamentarian and spokesperson for the Socialist Party, SP)

Prof. Paul Cliteur (Professor of Encyclopedia of Law at Leiden University)

Martijn van Dam (a Dutch parliamentarian and spokesperson for the Dutch Labour Party, PvdA, which is the second largest political party in the Netherlands)

Prof. Afshin Ellian (Professor of Social Cohesion and citizenship, Department of Jurisprudence at Leiden University)

Anita Fähmel (a local politician for the local Leefbaar Party in Rotterdam)

Prof. Meindert Fennema (Professor in political theory of ethnic relations at the University of Amsterdam)

Farhad Golyardi (Chief-editor of Eutopia.nl)

Femke Halsema (a member of the House of Representatives since 1998. And the leader of the Green Left parliamentary party in the House of Representatives since 2002.)

Theodor Holman (journalist, presenter, and writer.)

Prof. Rikki Holtmaat (Professor of International Non-Discrimination Law at Leiden University)

Farah Karimi (Director of Oxfam Novib and a former member of parliament)

Prof. Andreas Kinnengin (Professor of legal philosophy at the University of Leiden, and the most prominent conservative philosopher in The Netherlands)

Henk Krol (Chief-editor of the Gay Krant)

Dr. Tanja van der Meer (Professor of Law at Maastricht University)

Dick Pels (publicist and President of the thinktank Waterland)

Em. Prof.Bernard van Praag (University Professor of Applied Economics, University of Amsterdam)

Jan Pronk (a Dutch politician and diplomat, he was the Special Representative of the Secretary-General and Head of Mission for the United Nations Mission in Sudan)

Sandra Reemer (singer)

Mark Rutte (a Dutch VVD politician and parliamentary leader for that party in the House of Representatives)

Stephan Sanders (publicist)

Prof. Paul Scheffer (is a Dutch author, professor at the Universiteit van Amsterdam and member of the Partij van de Arbeid)

Xandra Schutte (Chief-editor of the influential weekly newspaper Green Amsterdam)

Bart-Jan Spruyt (publicist and one of the most prominent conservative philosophers in The Netherlands.)

Em. Prof. Abram de Swaan (University Professor of Social Sciences, University of Amsterdam)

Mr. Richard Verkijk (legal researcher / attorney, University of Maastricht)

Prof. Frank van Vree (Professor of Journalism and Culture, University of Amsterdam)

Geert Wilders (Dutch politician and leader of the Party for Freedom PVV)

Amsterdam Student Debating Society Bonaparte

Nijmegen Student Debating Society Trivium

PerspectieF / Christian Union Youth




A few important having a little cojones, Includes the head of the liberal party



The head of the greens



And my boy



Make me proud.

[Husar]

Must be the first time I'm actually somewhat fond of the greens after looking at that pic.

The idea isn't bad at all, proxy servers to break the information blockade, let's just hope the iranian government won't find a way to block access to proxies as well.

[ICantSpellDawg]

The Mesh network would be amazing. We could ask Iraq to put a few up, Have few in the Gulf, ask Pakistan and Afghanistan to park them on the border AND ask Azerbaijan to park a few ships in the caspian. It wouldn't hurt the Turkemen people either.

[Papewaio]

Oh come on. The military delivers liberty. What country acheived liberty without bloodshed in an acceptable period of time?

Australian Commonwealth as opposed to its composite countries...

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As for wireless internet it ain't like radio. It is a two (or more) way communication, when you search you need to talk to the tower. Just look at how expensive it is to setup internet for phones and there are lots of nearby towers... look at the bandwidth compared with broadband.

What you are suggesting is a system like satellite phones... very very expensive, and very very low bandwidth.

EDIT: Note that with most wireless networking technologies the connection speed is based on the slowest member to join the node... so if the Peoples Government wanted to slow it down all they need to join one member that had a 9600 Baud just to make it painful. No need for expensive filtering or manpower, just an electronic clog. Or make a duplicate gateway nearby/ triangulate the broadcasts and send in the police... more sophistication and manpower but not nuclear rocket science.

[ICantSpellDawg]

Australian Commonwealth as opposed to its composite countries...

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As for wireless internet it ain't like radio. It is a two (or more) way communication, when you search you need to talk to the tower. Just look at how expensive it is to setup internet for phones and there are lots of nearby towers... look at the bandwidth compared with broadband.

What you are suggesting is a system like satellite phones... very very expensive, and very very low bandwidth.

EDIT: Note that with most wireless networking technologies the connection speed is based on the slowest member to join the node... so if the Peoples Government wanted to slow it down all they need to join one member that had a 9600 Baud just to make it painful. No need for expensive filtering or manpower, just an electronic clog. Or make a duplicate gateway nearby/ triangulate the broadcasts and send in the police... more sophistication and manpower but not nuclear rocket science.

Thanks Pape - thats the real critiscism I was looking for. Servers could also reject a reciever under certain speeds. The point is that by putting digital defense into the mill, we are prepared to integrate new technologies as they are better able to do the job down the road. Fit the ships, buy the sites and get started. The worst threat to a good plan is the rumination of a perfect one or something like that, as ETW's loading screens would say.

[Husar]

EDIT: Note that with most wireless networking technologies the connection speed is based on the slowest member to join the node... so if the Peoples Government wanted to slow it down all they need to join one member that had a 9600 Baud just to make it painful. No need for expensive filtering or manpower, just an electronic clog. Or make a duplicate gateway nearby/ triangulate the broadcasts and send in the police... more sophistication and manpower but not nuclear rocket science.

Uhm, I already mentioned the triangulation, though with different words, but it's absolutely correct, they crack down on satellite dishes when they see them, but a wirleless network device makes itself visible even when it's hidden or else it has no connection. The thing about the slowest link is somewhat wrong though, that's certainly not the case if a mesh network is properly set up as in it's a real mesh and not a single-device line meaning every device has more than one way to get it's datta so when one link is too weak, it just uses another, the internet works that way, when one server is overloaded, the packages are usually routed through another server if available. It would only be a problem if there are too many weak links meaning that communication from point a to point b would go through a weak link no matter which route it takes. The triangulation would seem the better option for the government.