Long live Hannibal (dedicated to romaioi-lovers)

Wow, you check the forums when you're drunk? :P

Originally Posted by Jebivjetar

LOL im drunk too!

And thats an old story about hating romans. I really dont hate them, i just kill them. The Hate is a wrong word for what i feel about them

I just boil them, that's all. I swear

Originally Posted by Apázlinemjó

Wow, you check the forums when you're drunk? :P

Well, no: i'm here every day, no matter if i'm drunk or not. But last night i had a vision so i decided to open this thread in order to make some lame jokes, and i really had some good time laughing. Lol, but this morning i found most of them pretty annoying.

This whole Roman-hater-business was already lame, childish and annoying half a year ago. Please cut it out.

You really do not need to read that kind of writings though.

If only their was a function during battle to allow troops to slowly crawl back in EB or EB2

Originally Posted by machinor

This whole Roman-hater-business was already lame, childish and annoying half a year ago. Please cut it out.

Half a year ago? We were around at that time?

Maion

Dunno. That was just a rough estimate... if that's to much, then consider the message to be "it was already lame, childish and annoying before it even started".

Hey, I already cut most of it off. It's not my mistake some guys are a little too "fanatic" about this Anyway,

Maion

Originally Posted by Maion Maroneios

Umm, weren't you technically on-topic there?

Nope, this is something about Hannibas not the nature of the Romaioktonoi. Though I think the clock is ticking for this thread, I'm afraid.

And you know what clock I'm talking about

Maion

The Foot. And right he will be.

BTW, the greatest defeat ever inflicted on Rome was not by Grasping Carthaginians it was by real warriors!!!

The ironic thing is my drunken baiting of Jebivjetar last night inspired me to start a Carthaginian campaign today.

Originally Posted by Macilrille

The Foot. And right he will be.

BTW, the greatest defeat ever inflicted on Rome was not by Grasping Carthaginians it was by real warriors!!!

Of course you mean Carrhae. That cowardly ambush doesn't count.

Originally Posted by johnhughthom

The ironic thing is my drunken baiting of Jebivjetar last night inspired me to start a Carthaginian campaign today.

Maion

Its so sad to watch barbarians bashing each other like that

Talk about Romaioktonaios bashing each other... check the Romaioktonoi group about this news!!!

WOW, that video was awesome. Definitely got me pumped to start writing my aar soon.

Peh, that video is just as usual as hannibaal will do..... usually good except at Zama... (Better kill those anti Barcids now...)

Originally Posted by johnhughthom

Of course you mean Carrhae. That cowardly ambush doesn't count.

No I do not mean that. Carrhae was but a trifle compared to what I speak of. Look deeper (by installing EB we agree to read more history) and consider my background as Danish and a Viking Fighting re-enactor doing martial arts with copies of Viking weapons.

Edited to add, though my heart goes out to Iran these days and my FB profile pic has been replaced by "FREE IRAN", I meant real warriors!

Originally Posted by Macilrille

BTW, the greatest defeat ever inflicted on Rome was not by Grasping Carthaginians it was by real warriors!!!

Yeah: Carthaginian army was composed of fake-warriors, and all the stories about Hannibal and his terror on the battlefields of Italy are just illusions, right?

Man, youre wrong here. Did you know that Hannibals army was one of the powerful armies of that time, composed of professionals and not of ad-hoc assembled peasant-"warriors"?

Indeed, I have to agree with Jebivjetar here as well. The Carthaginian army, AFAIK and read, was not just composed of a bunch of mercenaries and untrained peasants. I remember a description of the EB team saying only extremely well trainded soldiers could excecute the difficult maneuvers that were untilized by Hannibal in many battles against the Romaioi.

Maion

Hannibal's army was probably the best fighting force since Alexander's.
Though, flexible and battle-hardened.

Originally Posted by Jebivjetar

Yeah: Carthaginian army was composed of fake-warriors, and all the stories about Hannibal and his terror on the battlefields of Italy are just illusions, right?

Man, youre wrong here. Did you know that Hannibals army was one of the powerful armies of that time, composed of professionals and not of ad-hoc assembled peasant-"warriors"?

That is not what I am saying at all. Allow me to elaborate.

Greatest defeat ever on Roman Republic and Empire, in terms of numbers (in relative terms some earlier ones where manpower was lower might be bigger) was Arausio, app 80.000 legionaires and 40.000 auxilia and camp followers slaughtered. That tops Cannae by quite a lot.


Real Warriors, an embellishment praising the northern barbarians of Cimbri Chersonesos that wiped out this enormous Roman army.

I was not talking of Hannibal at all, but joining Dugunz' bandwagon while pointing out that Cannae was a much smaller defeat than Arausio, though usually recognised as the greatest by the general public.

Is that more clear?

Macilrille, i really can't read your thoughts and the only thing i have here are your words. In that case what you said before and what are you saying now are two different things, so you better keep that in mind when you want to express yourself in the future.

Btw, even now no one cant just say that Carthaginian army wasn't a "real" army, it's a foolish thing to say. And i dont agree with an idea that numerical casualties are the only factor to take in mind when we are talking about "real" armies,great leaders and such things: Hannibal and his army are simply great just because they have done some things we discuss in our time (more than 2000 years later), and they have done it in very, very hard circumstances.

Therefore i had to react on your statement:


BTW, the greatest defeat ever inflicted on Rome was not by Grasping Carthaginians it was by real warriors!!!




Btw Arausio rules!



EDIT:

200 000 (Cimbri & Teutones) at Arausio vs 120 000 Romans? They really did eat the Romans out there!!

Arausio was two battles and the worst example of bad roman leadership ever...

Originally Posted by Zarax

Arausio was two battles and the worst example of bad roman leadership ever...

It was a good leadership: to send that many souls to the afterlife is a great deed for a Roman general.

Yeah, i couldnt resist ...

I laugh condescendingly at your disdain for the glorious empire of Rome, the source of all that is good in our modern world. (historical fact)

Originally Posted by Macilrille

That is not what I am saying at all. Allow me to elaborate.

Greatest defeat ever on Roman Republic and Empire, in terms of numbers (in relative terms some earlier ones where manpower was lower might be bigger) was Arausio, app 80.000 legionaires and 40.000 auxilia and camp followers slaughtered.

If we count byzantines, then Arabs beat that record by 4000 men

how many of those teutoni and cimbri were in battle?

anyways, what are you doing in this pushing match between romans and greeks? I'll post the rest elsewhere.

Well, if you want to see a defeat with the Romans outnumbered almost 2:1 as superior to a defeat with the Romans outnumbering the enemy almost 2:1 that's up to you Macilrille.

Originally Posted by roiya88

I laugh condescendingly at your disdain for the glorious empire of Rome, the source of all that is good in our modern world. (historical fact)

Don't be so naive, please! Rome isn't beginning of history you know... Can you even imagine how many of the goods that we, modern people, admire, have their roots in Greek culture? Romans were influenced by Greeks, Roman culture was mediator of Greek culture, witch is considered as beginning of -what we call- "western culture". Source of many goods in our, Western world is primarily Greek: they influenced Romans as no one else did, and Rome would not be Rome without Greeks.

I will tell you just one name: Socrates: it would took entire book just to make a simple sketch of his enormous (good, if you want) influence on our days. If you are interested, take some books about Greek philosophy and see how can just one idea (idea of soul) change so much in history: but that's a Greek idea!

And i'll stop writing in this post because that is a BIG subject to discuss. On the other hand, as you can see, my english doesn't allow me to say many things