Long live Hannibal (dedicated to romaioi-lovers)

Hey, I already cut most of it off. It's not my mistake some guys are a little too "fanatic" about this Anyway,

Maion

Originally Posted by Maion Maroneios

Umm, weren't you technically on-topic there?

Nope, this is something about Hannibas not the nature of the Romaioktonoi. Though I think the clock is ticking for this thread, I'm afraid.

And you know what clock I'm talking about

Maion

The Foot. And right he will be.

BTW, the greatest defeat ever inflicted on Rome was not by Grasping Carthaginians it was by real warriors!!!

The ironic thing is my drunken baiting of Jebivjetar last night inspired me to start a Carthaginian campaign today.

Originally Posted by johnhughthom

The ironic thing is my drunken baiting of Jebivjetar last night inspired me to start a Carthaginian campaign today.

Maion

Originally Posted by Macilrille

The Foot. And right he will be.

BTW, the greatest defeat ever inflicted on Rome was not by Grasping Carthaginians it was by real warriors!!!

Of course you mean Carrhae. That cowardly ambush doesn't count.

Originally Posted by johnhughthom

Of course you mean Carrhae. That cowardly ambush doesn't count.

No I do not mean that. Carrhae was but a trifle compared to what I speak of. Look deeper (by installing EB we agree to read more history) and consider my background as Danish and a Viking Fighting re-enactor doing martial arts with copies of Viking weapons.

Edited to add, though my heart goes out to Iran these days and my FB profile pic has been replaced by "FREE IRAN", I meant real warriors!

Originally Posted by Macilrille

BTW, the greatest defeat ever inflicted on Rome was not by Grasping Carthaginians it was by real warriors!!!

Yeah: Carthaginian army was composed of fake-warriors, and all the stories about Hannibal and his terror on the battlefields of Italy are just illusions, right?

Man, youre wrong here. Did you know that Hannibals army was one of the powerful armies of that time, composed of professionals and not of ad-hoc assembled peasant-"warriors"?

Indeed, I have to agree with Jebivjetar here as well. The Carthaginian army, AFAIK and read, was not just composed of a bunch of mercenaries and untrained peasants. I remember a description of the EB team saying only extremely well trainded soldiers could excecute the difficult maneuvers that were untilized by Hannibal in many battles against the Romaioi.

Maion

Hannibal's army was probably the best fighting force since Alexander's.
Though, flexible and battle-hardened.

Originally Posted by Jebivjetar

Yeah: Carthaginian army was composed of fake-warriors, and all the stories about Hannibal and his terror on the battlefields of Italy are just illusions, right?

Man, youre wrong here. Did you know that Hannibals army was one of the powerful armies of that time, composed of professionals and not of ad-hoc assembled peasant-"warriors"?

That is not what I am saying at all. Allow me to elaborate.

Greatest defeat ever on Roman Republic and Empire, in terms of numbers (in relative terms some earlier ones where manpower was lower might be bigger) was Arausio, app 80.000 legionaires and 40.000 auxilia and camp followers slaughtered. That tops Cannae by quite a lot.


Real Warriors, an embellishment praising the northern barbarians of Cimbri Chersonesos that wiped out this enormous Roman army.

I was not talking of Hannibal at all, but joining Dugunz' bandwagon while pointing out that Cannae was a much smaller defeat than Arausio, though usually recognised as the greatest by the general public.

Is that more clear?

Macilrille, i really can't read your thoughts and the only thing i have here are your words. In that case what you said before and what are you saying now are two different things, so you better keep that in mind when you want to express yourself in the future.

Btw, even now no one cant just say that Carthaginian army wasn't a "real" army, it's a foolish thing to say. And i dont agree with an idea that numerical casualties are the only factor to take in mind when we are talking about "real" armies,great leaders and such things: Hannibal and his army are simply great just because they have done some things we discuss in our time (more than 2000 years later), and they have done it in very, very hard circumstances.

Therefore i had to react on your statement:


BTW, the greatest defeat ever inflicted on Rome was not by Grasping Carthaginians it was by real warriors!!!




Btw Arausio rules!



EDIT:

200 000 (Cimbri & Teutones) at Arausio vs 120 000 Romans? They really did eat the Romans out there!!

Originally Posted by Macilrille

That is not what I am saying at all. Allow me to elaborate.

Greatest defeat ever on Roman Republic and Empire, in terms of numbers (in relative terms some earlier ones where manpower was lower might be bigger) was Arausio, app 80.000 legionaires and 40.000 auxilia and camp followers slaughtered.

If we count byzantines, then Arabs beat that record by 4000 men

how many of those teutoni and cimbri were in battle?

anyways, what are you doing in this pushing match between romans and greeks? I'll post the rest elsewhere.