Europe

[LittleGrizzly]

i think i phrased the question very ill, let me try again. the question i was trying to ask was whether you supported the current 'policy' of advancing with ever deeper union (read: federalism) regardless of whether you asked the electorate if this is what they want, and in spite of the fact that all 'anecdotal' evidence suggests they explicitly do not?

nice churchill quote, but i not sure you should read into it that he supported authoritarian tyranny because the population is too bovine to know what is good for them!

Now thats a better question, my answer is probably not, If the issue was a fairly close run thing possibly but anything over 60% against then no. Though there are some thing i would try to put through as prime minister whether the majority agreed or not, who wouldn't ?

Thats the beauty of the Churchill quote... and the one from Beskar, they don't rate your average voter but neither do they support Authoritarian tyranny!

[Furunculus]

i think i phrased the question very ill, let me try again. the question i was trying to ask was whether you supported the current 'policy' of advancing with ever deeper union (read: federalism) regardless of whether you asked the electorate if this is what they want, and in spite of the fact that all 'anecdotal' evidence suggests they explicitly do not?

nice churchill quote, but i not sure you should read into it that he supported authoritarian tyranny because the population is too bovine to know what is good for them!

Now thats a better question, my answer is probably not, If the issue was a fairly close run thing possibly but anything over 60% against then no. Though there are some thing i would try to put through as prime minister whether the majority agreed or not, who wouldn't ?

Thats the beauty of the Churchill quote... and the one from Beskar, they don't rate your average voter but neither do they support Authoritarian tyranny!

i too support governments making the tough decisions that the herd aren't willing to make (it is the nature of any non-direct democracy), in all but one case:
when the government proposes to give the authority, that the citizens have loaned it on trust to act in their name, to a third party.
in that instance i want the government to ask the people: "hey guys, we know you expected us to rule you, but is it ok if we give that authority to some other bugger, i'm sure it will all be ok as they seem very nice?"

here's another churchill quote for you to chew on: “It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.” and that demos-cratos, the link between the people and the power, is very important. and largely non-existant between nations because of the lack of shared values, and the perception of those shared values in others, which derive from a shared history, society and culture.