Europe

[Tribesman]

that would certainly seem to be the case.

20+ years ago participation in euro elections and enthusiasm for the EU started in the high sixities percentage wise.

after 20+ years of creeping federalism, participation in euro elections and enthusiasm for the EU sits in the low thirties.

correlation much?

Thats wierd , in your country voter turnout has remained around the same the euro elections and declined in the national elections.
Though 10 years ago Britain did get a one off big drop in turnout that would put them on the same level as the new eastern european countries this time round

[Furunculus]

Thats wierd , in your country voter turnout has remained around the same the euro elections and declined in the national elections.
Though 10 years ago Britain did get a one off big drop in turnout that would put them on the same level as the new eastern european countries this time round

i didn't state that it was, but maybe that reflects a perception among voters of the growing irrelevance of parliament in the face of ever greater divestitures of power to brussels?

that EU wide the proportion and enthusiasm of eu voters has declined by nearly a third is a sobering fact, the fact that within the UK it has never got much above one third is derisory.

[Tribesman]

that EU wide the proportion and enthusiasm of eu voters has declined by over 50% is a sobering fact,

You ain't very good with numbers are you

[Furunculus]

You ain't very good with numbers are you

i corrected that mistake three minutes before you post was made. is there any point to this pointless nitpicking?

[LittleGrizzly]

here's another churchill quote for you to chew on: “It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.” and that demos-cratos, the link between the people and the power, is very important.

Well heres another thing me Beskar and Churchill can agree on, unless im reading Beskar wrong, he wants a democratic EU, I also want a democratic EU. So we all want the best form of goverment :)

largely non-existant between nations because of the lack of shared values, and the perception of those shared values in others, which derive from a shared history, society and culture.

So a democracy that hypothetically included England and Scotland as one nation would simply be unworkable because of the lack of shared values which derive from history, society and culture.

Or did the act of Union show that slight differences, such as those between the English and the Scottish, or for another example between the English and the French, aren't actually an impediment to those country's forming a democracy together ?