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    Default Re: Dawn of a new EU - European Conservatives and Reformists Group springs into life

    Quote Originally Posted by Shinseikhaan View Post
    Holy moley, there's some "energetic" discussion on this.

    Question(s) for UK Euro skeptics- How "free" is the UK right now? With each passing election, how much has the domestic situation for individuals improved? Has the more local, elected gov't not banned Geert Wilders, amongst others, from entering the country? Has the local, elected gov't not authorized unwarranted computer hacking? Has the local, elected gov't not not put up a camera network over society itself?

    Would a European gov't be more authoritarian and secretive because it would be someone ruling from Paris or Brussels instead of the current splendid lot?
    the answer is that a non-federated britain is gradually making itself less free, minute by minute.
    all the above are correct and reprehensible, though many are symptoms of a centralising government that cares more for collective welfare rather than individual liberty. most importantly, they are mistakes made within my family that i feel i can make a difference against.

    yes. in my opinion this is an inevitable result of moving the cratos further away from the demos, and severing the link that allows both groups the trust the other.
    an electorate that watches its masters enact policy that is inimical to the will of the people will grow resentful and contemptuous, especially when they are so far removed from the centre of power, and such a small function of that power, that they see themselves powerless to change things via the democratic process.
    a ruling class that enacts policy over a multitude of differnt social and cultural electorate groups must know that it cannot please everyone, (and will in fact please no-one in its compromises) will learn to harden themselves against voter opinion, especially when there is no local link that allows them to empathise with 'their' electorate, and the electorate is so massive and fractured that their can never be effective opposition to individual acts.
    it is not that these problems do not occur in national government, merely that they will be greatly magnified on a federal level if we take as disparate a group as the electorates of the 27 eu nations.
    Last edited by Furunculus; 06-26-2009 at 09:58.
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