Europe

[Beskar]

last time i checked NAFTA wasn't a political confederation, it was a free-trade bloc. sounds great.

So was Europe at first, how did that turn out?

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

So was Europe at first, how did that turn out?

Authoritarian and undemocratic. Europe was always meant to be a federal project, that has been admitted a few times by the French and Germans. At the same time, integration has always proceeded at a fairly even pace.

This is largely because Eurocrats see federalism as both desireable and inevitable. It is not necessarily either.

[Furunculus]

So was Europe at first, how did that turn out?

i don't think that NAFTA arose from the ashes of WW2 as a project chiefly architected to prevent WW3 by its two biggest cheer leaders (the guilty conscience and unwilling host), via the method of ever deeper union.

so i'm not really sure where you are going with this?
i don't believe that free-trade blocs like NAFTA are bad.
i don't believe regional forums like ASEAN are bad.
i don't believe collective defense pacts like NATO are bad.

i do think that Britain, on balance, will be worse off within in a federal europe.
i do think that governance in Britain will become less representative in a federal europe.