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    Well that didn't last long:
    Yeah, who'd have thought, eh?

    Best of luck to the others the coming years!
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    Also, the Icelandic parliament is voting about a future EU application as we speak. Oh please, oh please.
    Despite their recent flirt with uncontrolled neo-liberalism that left the country bankrupt, Iceland is still a sober, sensible nation. It would make for a great addition. Give us another Luxembourg!
    on the subject of ECR from Daniel Hannan:
    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/da...polish-leader/
    British Conservatives can be proud today: ours is the first Group in the European Parliament to elect an MEP from an accession state as its leader. None of the Groups which drone on about their commitment to the European ideal can claim as much.

    Michal Kaminski, of Poland’s Law and Justice Party, is my age. We went into politics at the same time, when we were in our mid-twenties. We each have two little girls of similar ages. We’re both conservatives: Euro-sceptics, free-marketeers and Atlanticists. But we might have spent our early lives on different planets. I grew up during the réveil national of the Thatcher years. Michal’s early life was spent in an occupied country. Every day, he lived with the moral shabbiness, the material squalor, the thousand petty lies of Jaruzelski-era Poland. When Michal was small, his father defected to Canada. They met once, in Michal’s teenage years, in Cuba – the only state to which they could both get visas. Michal’s father urged him to defect, but Michal replied that he wanted one day to sit as a conservative in a free Polish Sejm. A few years later, he did, although his father was sadly no longer alive to see it.

    That such a man, having led such a life, should now lead our Group, does more for European unity than any number of federalist declarations. The Europe that Michal and I believe in is one united by the spread of freedom and democracy, by commerce, by the actions of independent citizens. This is a world away from the Europe they want in Brussels, united by rules and regulations, by institutions and bureaucracies, by anthems and flags.

    When Michal made his first speech as an MEP, he hymned the praises of Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan, to the unfeigned horror of the EPP. He is, in short, the closest thing to a British Tory outside the Carlton Club.
    In a sense, Michal’s election was accidental. It had originally been planned that he would take a parliamentary Vice-Presidency while a Briton became the first leader of the European Conservatives and Reformists (ECR). But my erstwhile colleague Edward Macmillan-Scott decided to have a go at the Vice-Presidency himself, which upset all the calculations (Edward lost the Conservative Whip in consequence).

    This left Michal in an embarrassing situation. He is well known in Poland as a long-standing advocate of the new conservative Group. Yet he had been denied office by a renegade British Tory.

    At this stage, the two British candidates for the leadership, Timothy Kirkhope and Geoffrey Van Orden, displayed extraordinary magnanimity, withdrawing their candidacies in Michal’s favour.

    I know that Timothy, in particular, has come in for some criticism from ConHome readers, a lot of it very unfair. His behaviour over this episode made the rest of us proud to be British Tories. It was hardly his fault that Edward Macmillan-Scott had decided to run. But an injury had been done to our Polish friends by a British Conservative, and he took it upon himself to make restitution by ceding the Group leadership. He put the interests of Conservatism above his own ambitions.
    In a funny way, Macmillan-Scott has done us a great favour. No one can now argue that the ECR is a Tory front with a couple of minor parties added on for decoration. We have a leader who, while a sturdy Polish patriot, is also a committed Anglophile and Thatcherite. And the graciousness with which both Geoffrey and Timothy acted has created a mood common purpose among British Tory MEPs that I can’t remember in ten years. The best is yet to come.
    On the latter, why does it mean so much to you that Iceland should join, but not Turkey?
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    on the subject of ECR from Daniel Hannan:
    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/da...polish-leader/
    Ah, Hannan. Always at the forefront of things.

    Erm...the new president of the entire European Parliament is Polish. Which makes the chest-thumping about electing a Pole a bit moot.

    More importantly...Hannan's man is a sidekick of the nutcase Kaczinski twins. So this should provide for years of entertainment to come: the Brits being led now by some extremist Pole.


    Meanwhile, the European Parliament, unlike the British conservatives, is headed by a democratic Pole instead of a (former?) fascist anti-Semitic one.

    Jerzy Buzek is in the centre-right European People's Party (EPP)

    The first session of the new European Parliament in Strasbourg has been dominated by two issues: the election of Jerzy Buzek as its president and the arrival of the first far right MEPs from the UK.

    Jerzy Buzek is the living embodiment of what many people think the European Union is all about.
    He was born in Poland, in a border region which changed hands between Czechoslovakia, Poland and Germany in the chaos of World War II.

    He ended the war living and working in communist Poland - a regime that he eventually helped to bring down as a member of the anti-bureaucratic trade union Solidarity. Eventually, he became prime minister of Poland and now, aged 69, has been sworn in as the first president of the European Parliament from the former communist East.
    It has been a remarkable journey for him and for Europe, the significance of which can perhaps best be judged by a line from Mr Buzek's speech of thanks.

    "Once upon a time I hoped to be a member of the Polish Parliament, in a free Poland," he said.
    "Today I have become the president of the European Parliament, something I could never have
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    Erm...the new president of the entire European Parliament is Polish. Which makes the chest-thumping about electing a Pole a bit moot.

    More importantly...Hannan's man is a sidekick of the nutcase Kaczinski twins. So this should provide for years of entertainment to come: the Brits being led now by some extremist Pole.


    Meanwhile, the European Parliament, unlike the British conservatives, is headed by a democratic Pole instead of a (former?) fascist anti-Semitic one.
    yeah, i read that too.

    Whatever, he sits on a platform I and the conservatives agree with, which is an anti-federal one unlike the EPP.

    He is facist and anti-semitic, explain?
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    I haven't forgotten this thread, and when I have time I will reply to the responses to my last post.

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    Whatever, he sits on a platform I and the conservatives agree with, which is an anti-federal one unlike the EPP.
    The conservatives lost out against the Polish radicals. The British conservatives are now led by a Pole whose views are best described as 'read Krook's posts'.

    It is a complete laugh. An embarrasment to the UK conservatives. They are no longer in control of their own party.

    They tried to get in bed with a pan-European nationalist alliance, against the better judgement of many in their ranks. The leader of the more doubtful part of the conservatives has now been ousted by the Poles. The other UK conservatives are towing the line and are prepared to be lackeys to their neo/post fascist continental overlords.

    This was on day one of their new party. Well done.

    Here is, of all papers, the Daily Torygraph:

    Tory-MEPs-led-by-Pole-with-extremist-past.html

    Tory MEPs 'led by Pole with extremist past'

    David Cameron's Conservative MEPs have been forced to surrender the leadership of their new Eurosceptic group to a controversial Polish Right-winger who faces allegations that he has an extremist past. In order to prevent the European Conservative and Reformist group (ECR) falling apart on the first day of its existence, the Tories handed over its chairmanship to Michal Tomasz Kaminski, a senior figure in the Polish Law and Justice Party (PiS) and a close aide to Lech Kaczynski, Poland's Right-wing president.

    Timothy Kirkhope, the leader of Conservative MEPs, was forced to drop his own plan, supported by the party leadership, to stand for the post after a Tory rebel beat Mr Kaminski in elections for the European Parliament's vice-presidency.
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    Edward McMillan-Scott was promptly expelled from the European Conservatives for defeating Mr Kaminski. Following the vote, furious Polish MEPs demanded control of ECR as compensation.
    The situation is deeply embarrassing for the Tories.

    Mr Kaminski will now be the public face of the new Conservative grouping as allegations that his political past has involved links to Right-wing extremists have surfaced.
    According to the office of the National Rebirth of Poland (NOP), a far-Right Polish party regarded by the US State Department as anti-Semitic, Mr Kaminski was a former student member. Mr Kaminski admitted to The Daily Telegraph on Wednesday that he had been an NOP member but only under Communism, "between 1987 and 1989". "It was a time I am very proud of, when at the age of 15, I decided to become a member of the underground against the Communist dictatorship. At the time this was a patriotic youth organisation not anti-Semitic or Nazi," he said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat View Post
    1. The conservatives lost out against the Polish radicals. The British conservatives are now led by a Pole whose views are best described as 'read Krook's posts'.

    2. It is a complete laugh. An embarrasment to the UK conservatives. They are no longer in control of their own party.

    3. They tried to get in bed with a pan-European nationalist alliance, against the better judgement of many in their ranks. The leader of the more doubtful part of the conservatives has now been ousted by the Poles. The other UK conservatives are towing the line and are prepared to be lackeys to their neo/post fascist continental overlords.

    4. Here is, of all papers, the Daily Torygraph:

    Tory-MEPs-led-by-Pole-with-extremist-past.html
    1. what about krooks posts? were they in this thread, in response to what we are discussing here? is krook even a signed up member of NCU? would it matter if he was? has Kaminski ever stated the same things as krook? why bring krook into this?

    2. it's teething troubles caused by an element of the conservative party that was against the change before it happened, the cons are better off with him out.

    3. roflmao. they >got< into bed with an anti-federalist alliance, and a the actions of a stupid tory resulted in a pole leading the party, but so what, he's a member of that party and subscribed to views i can tolerate, unlike the EPP.

    4. good article, nice to see the tory-graph refraining from varnishing the truth.
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