Europe

[Furunculus]

Surely in Germany and France you would find some regions which have a much higher than the french average support for the Iraq war... and then regions in Britian and regions in America that had less support for the war than these exception to the rule French areas...

Surely we should swop the borders around a bit so the yanks and brits can adopt these pro iraq war areas and the french and germans can adopt these anti iraq war areas... as surely those shared views mean they could work together far better than the mess we have now where there are areas hugely against or for wars but are unable to choose for themselves as thier evil overlords in Paris, London, Berlin or Washington stole the choice for them...

You know who recoiled in horror when Bush was reelected, a majority in the liberal states in the union, surely this is unworkable for America in the same way it is unworkable for Britian to be in the same union as Italy when were horrified at thier selection ?

Also I have to bring up this shared values thing, im a brit and i share very few values with you... my values would be much closer to Louis, a frenchman, or Adrian (less so though i think), a dutchman, i do share quite a few of my values with Beskar and Jag, who are Brits. But if we are to talk about shared values between the two of us (me and you) they are very few and far between. They would be so basic (e.g. murder is bad) that they would be shared by the vast vast majority all across Europe... all of our shared values are shared across Europe...

You mean there is variation in this world of human beans, amazing.

I don't think that's a great idea, and i pretty sure few others in any of the above nations would go with it either.

You ask those same americans how willing they'd be to sign of for some utopian world government, i don't think they'd be willing.

Yes, I share very little in common with you either, and of course if you pick out individuals you can draw some striking contrasts. That isn't what we are talking about however.
Those figures stand.
Prudish Brits disbelief that Italians can continue to elect and support Berlusconi stands.
French resistance to what they perceive as free-wheeling anglo-saxon capitalism stands.
There are national trends that arise from shared history as a result of co-developed social and cultural practices.

[LittleGrizzly]

You ask those same americans how willing they'd be to sign of for some utopian world government, i don't think they'd be willing.

How about America having some kind of crazy far out goverment which covers places as diverse as Texas, Alaska Vermont and New York. Surely the way the recoil in horror at each others selections is the same way we recoil at horror at italy's selections for example.

Those figures stand.
Prudish Brits disbelief that Italians can continue to elect and support Berlusconi stands.
French resistance to what they perceive as free-wheeling anglo-saxon capitalism stands.
There are national trends that arise from shared history as a result of co-developed social and cultural practices.

Vermont, New york and a whole bunch of other states recoil in horror at the re-election of Bush

USA is still a workable nation

Most of Wales, Scotland and part of England recoils in horror when Margaret Thatcher is elected

UK is still a workable nation

And many other examples i can't think of

Though i suppose the best response may be...

You mean there is variation in this world of human beans, amazing.

It also happens inside country's that theres variation, but no downfall of society or the countrys... USA for example is a pretty successful country...

Yes, I share very little in common with you either, and of course if you pick out individuals you can draw some striking contrasts. That isn't what we are talking about however.

This is exactly what we are talking about, and it isn't only one individual who has views similar to me im sure there are thousands who have similar views to me and then probably thousands who have similar views to you.... and then far more people in positions in between us. Literally hundreds of different viewpoints... a similar spread to what there is in Europe...

[Furunculus]

what theme are you working at here?

are you trying to convince me that a federal europe is a 'viable' project? fine, i'm convinced.

are you trying to convince me that a federal europe is a desirable project? for who i'd ask? because i certainly don't find it desirable for britain.

you have done nothing to convince me that there are not national themes to the peoples of every nation, all you've done is state that everyone is different and that everyone is the same, no kidding sherlock.

but if i like the fact Britain is generally forgiving of Israel, then i can only be glad that we don't have the population of Gaza as UK residents.

[Tribesman]

what theme are you working at here?

Could it possibly be that the theme is your common values, heritage and outlook theory is bollox?

[Furunculus]

i do not see that demonstrated.

[Tribesman]

i do not see that demonstrated.

Really?
Does this fella share your cultural views?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaxX...eature=related
OK thats not fair his family are originaly Prussian and spent a long time through the generations in the Royal Navy.
How about this bunch of home county boys, public and grammar school lot, surely you can't can't more British than that....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbwE...e=channel_page
Common views, values and outlook? ....as Jim from the Royle family says...."my arse"

[LittleGrizzly]

Im generally getting at what Tibesman mentioned... that the shared heritage values ect. are not really shared all that much and the ones that we do widely share are widely shared across Europe...

Im not arguing for the world goverment, its a long term goal of mine... but I think the world is too different at the moment, for example Gaza like you said....

[Furunculus]

Really?
Does this fella share your cultural views?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaxX...eature=related
OK thats not fair his family are originaly Prussian and spent a long time through the generations in the Royal Navy.
How about this bunch of home county boys, public and grammar school lot, surely you can't can't more British than that....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbwE...e=channel_page
Common views, values and outlook? ....as Jim from the Royle family says...."my arse"

what a thoroughly irrelevant post, congrats.