Europe

[Tribesman]

i do not see that demonstrated.

Really?
Does this fella share your cultural views?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaxX...eature=related
OK thats not fair his family are originaly Prussian and spent a long time through the generations in the Royal Navy.
How about this bunch of home county boys, public and grammar school lot, surely you can't can't more British than that....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbwE...e=channel_page
Common views, values and outlook? ....as Jim from the Royle family says...."my arse"

[LittleGrizzly]

Im generally getting at what Tibesman mentioned... that the shared heritage values ect. are not really shared all that much and the ones that we do widely share are widely shared across Europe...

Im not arguing for the world goverment, its a long term goal of mine... but I think the world is too different at the moment, for example Gaza like you said....

[Furunculus]

Im generally getting at what Tibesman mentioned... that the shared heritage values ect. are not really shared all that much and the ones that we do widely share are widely shared across Europe...

Im not arguing for the world goverment, its a long term goal of mine... but I think the world is too different at the moment, for example Gaza like you said....

tribesman isn't getting at anything, he's just wittering inane nonsense as usual.

i just say that they are more shared by the individual nations, which makes them the proper forum of representative governance as we know it, aka liberal democracy.

[Sarmatian]

tribesman isn't getting at anything, he's just wittering inane nonsense as usual.

i just say that they are more shared by the individual nations, which makes them the proper forum of representative governance as we know it, aka liberal democracy.

The fact that half of the Brits on this forum don't agree with you and people from Germany Finland, Poland... do agree with you speaks volumes but you just refuse to listen. What you're talking about may have held more importance in the past, although even than we shared more than we cared to admit, we just somehow always managed to find the stuff we disagree in.

Clinging to vaguely defined shared national values in a world where a baby is born in China and a relative living in America can get the news quicker than a relative living two streets away from hospital is pointless.

[Furunculus]

The fact that half of the Brits on this forum don't agree with you and people from Germany Finland, Poland... do agree with you speaks volumes but you just refuse to listen. What you're talking about may have held more importance in the past, although even than we shared more than we cared to admit, we just somehow always managed to find the stuff we disagree in.

Clinging to vaguely defined shared national values in a world where a baby is born in China and a relative living in America can get the news quicker than a relative living two streets away from hospital is pointless.

yes it does have less importance than the past, but the effect is not gone and neither it is irrelevant which is why nobody wants to give electorates referendums on europe, because they will all be treated as referendums on europe which won't turn out the 'desired' result.

the point being is the difference doesn't have to be large, it just has to be there for the UK to reject a place in a federal europe if there is no net benefit to be derived. you have no benefit and a greater distance between the demos and the cratos.

[Tribesman]

what a thoroughly irrelevant post

You claimed that people from your country have a shared view .
Your view of that is bollox and you are unable to show anything to the contrary, even your earlier attempt with opinion polls undermined rather than reinforced your position.

tribesman isn't getting at anything, he's just wittering inane nonsense as usual.

I am really hurt by your cutting comments

But its OK , Grizz gets it

the shared heritage values ect. are not really shared all that much and the ones that we do widely share are widely shared across Europe...

Though just to humour you and your neo-imperialist view .
You previously have stated (I suppose as part of your UKNDA club) that you want a big old global super navy just like Greta Brittania used to have . Given that you cannot recruit enough sailors as it is for your much diminished fleet where are you going to find all these like minded people with shared values to fill the ships?

[Furunculus]

You claimed that people from your country have a shared view .
Your view of that is bollox and you are unable to show anything to the contrary, even your earlier attempt with opinion polls undermined rather than reinforced your position.

Though just to humour you and your neo-imperialist view .
You previously have stated (I suppose as part of your UKNDA club) that you want a big old global super navy just like Greta Brittania used to have . Given that you cannot recruit enough sailors as it is for your much diminished fleet where are you going to find all these like minded people with shared values to fill the ships?

you haven't challenged that point at all, there have been various for you to choose from, and the poll quite adequately showed the difference between one nation with public support for the war in question and other nations that did not have public support.

What neo-imperialist view, that the first duty of the sovereign nation state is the defence of the realm, explain how that is neo-imperialist?
What purpose does your second question actually have in this discussion? The fact that pay and conditions are poor may very well be the answer is kind of beside the point, the question is nothing but a distraction.

[Furunculus]

Really?
Does this fella share your cultural views?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaxX...eature=related
OK thats not fair his family are originaly Prussian and spent a long time through the generations in the Royal Navy.
How about this bunch of home county boys, public and grammar school lot, surely you can't can't more British than that....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbwE...e=channel_page
Common views, values and outlook? ....as Jim from the Royle family says...."my arse"

what a thoroughly irrelevant post, congrats.