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    Default Re: Dawn of a new EU - European Conservatives and Reformists Group springs into life

    There are many proverbs and sayings which boil down to "Money isn't everything."

    Your argument, if anything, sounds more of a typical class argument. "Pfft poff, me giving a percentage of my money which is far more in total than those civvies down at the docks, to pay for their healthcare? My boy, I am with bupa, I do not even bother with that la-de-dar stuff, leave that stuff for the lower orders, my good boy."

    Joking and friendly banter aside, it is more a individualist argument then a collectivist one, which is perfectly argumentable and on the plus side, I can actually understand your argument and points, they are quite rationale.

    However, I believe in many ways, we are cosy in a position, in a sense, our boots are better than our feet and it will come to a stage when we realise this, it could be too late (Short-sightedness, failing to see the longer-term). A power like China currently has twice the economy of France, and it is rapidy growing, they have many things individual European nations don't have, which is the land, resources and population. By combining together, in unity, it would give Europeans a greater presence on the World-Stage shifting the balance of power heavily into Europes favour, opposed to Asia/Russia/America in a way, no individual nation can do on its own.

    For pure example, the GDP of the European Union is approx: 18trill, with United States approx: 14trill. With greater unity which removes many of the inherent problems and beaucracy within the current system, and hopefully, with a new system being modelled on Swizterland's government system (I believe the plans revolved around this), it would create a very democratic and powerful super-state and easily knock the United States off its uncontested pendastal. (Along with others like Russia, etc)



    On another note, while you and EMFM are on the same side of the debate, I do believe his argument is completely different to your own.
    Last edited by Beskar; 09-25-2009 at 13:16.
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