Europe

[LittleGrizzly]

But they were Germans before they were unified, decades before. They shared, if not exact cultural customs, a similar language (and so on).

We have Europeans now. A great many of them could communicate without the use of translators. Besides its hardly if language differences make unification impossible look at Britian, you have English, Welsh and Gaelic. We became a superpower for a while as well...

Nothing to do with size, per se. It's more to do with the internationalism of it. When I think internationalism, I think 1984. And why shouldn't I? If all of the world is under one government, where are we going to go to hide from that government?

When I think the whole of Germany uniting I think of 1984...

When I think of the whole of Italy uniting I think of 1984...

When I think of the whole of Britian uniting I think of 1984...

Thankfully I was pretty much wrong every time... so maybe when the EU unites were not going to all of a sudden see 1984... this was all back in the days when populations could be swayed to extremes so much more easily than today... Also America... when it united properly after the civil war the place became better (because the slaves were somewhat freer, although still messed about) Infact I think of all of these unification events as good things, you could possibly somewhat maybe blame German unification on Hitler I suppose but I think that was more of a product of the age and the events that happened to Germany rather than a direct result of its unification..

All in the formation.

So what exaclty, the act of union betwen England and Scotland and America's expansion including states seem about as artificial as the EU to me... well actually ours is done with democratic goverments that everyone gets a vote in so ours is a much better expansion if you ask me...

1) Europe is much bigger.

Is there some geographical limit of where suddenly when a nation owns a mile extra thier leaders become insane dictators... and ironically that exact geographical limit is slightly bigger than America so thats ok and possibly the coolest place ever... but its a bit smaller than the size of the EU, so the think is some kinbd of unworkable hitler/stalin dream... let us also ignore that places like China and India seem to function pretty well despite the fact thier not 1st world countrys like ours... that again is different obviously....


2) The formations of Italy and Germany were certainly not the same.


And America and Britian... and every other unification throughout time... because perhaps you weren't there at the time and politically opposed to them ?

For the last time, that isn't your choice. That will only be your choice as long as your political leaders don't expand their own voice in the world. You're trading the potential to be your own power for the chance to have a 1/27th of an opinion on something.

Ohh sure I missed out the option where we become our own our own superpower and join a great alliance with the fairy's and the trolls. We can't have much independance in foriegn policy we need to work in larger groups to achieve most things... the powers we can work with are America... and maybe China and Russia... within the EU we could make our own decision whether China Russia and America all weren't intrested in doing it all, atm with the EU as fractured as it is Britian's choice is follow America or not... within the EU our choice would be what do 'we' want to do...

Besides its hardly 1/27th of a choice we have, our opinions are hardly miles apart, if we joined in a union with a union which was exactly like euorpe but filled with leaders like the Chinese have then we would have a small crappy say which all the authoritarians could overrule. Within Europe its much more like common goals, sure there are differences but they are small so we would have a much larger say in foriegn policy then we do now...