Quote Originally Posted by Furunculus View Post
couldn't agree more, europe should rightly be annoyed with all the griping and foot dragging from britain, but that fault can firmly be laid at the foot of successive governments that have failed to persuade their electorate by open and honest debate.

while i think federalism is unnecessary, i am happy to let europe get cracking with my blessing, if that's what they want.
what i am not happy with is the fact that we are being dragged along with them by default, because our political class is too spineless to put the case before its electorate.
And whilst I am greatly in favour of federalism, I agree with you absolutely.

Didn't the Liberal Democrats want to hold a referendum on this basis, even though they are pro-Europe?