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[RAWROMNOM]

The current tradition dominating "professional" game design is to launch a new game while it is still in obviously an unfinished, barely playable state.

Y'all are doing yeoman's work on this here mod. But, to get your "professional" creds started, I think you should release it to the public now.

We can release it with something along these lines:

[Ailfertes]

Integrated CanOmer's scorpion siege engine in game. ~Tux

A sneak peak at the celtic chariot changes, notice anything different: https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/14...0/703/jl59.jpg … ~Tux

?? Is the rider standing on both horses?

Strat map Diplomat character for the Saka finished - nazgool

3D or 2D art skills? The EBII team would like to hear from you: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/forum...-Barbarorum-II … And thanks to everyone for the continued support!

Don't by shy people!

Arevaci diplomat character finished - nazgool

Reworking the Seleukid temples. Going for a more diverse line-up and swapping complexes. "Lady coloured as the stars of heaven!" - abou

[Arjos]

?? Is the rider standing on both horses!

On the chariot's yoke and pole ;)

[Ailfertes]

Crazy Celts. That is just awesome.

[Brennus]

Crazy Celts. That is just awesome.

At the risk of starting (another) debate, the Iron Age Britons and Irish were not Celts.

....now, that's angered certain persons and political parties.

[RAWROMNOM]

....now, that's angered certain persons and political parties.

Isn't that our purpose?

[Ailfertes]

At the risk of starting (another) debate, the Iron Age Britons and Irish were not Celts.

....now, that's angered certain persons and political parties.

In my defense, it said celtic chariots

[Brennus]

That will be our Dacian artist spreading misinformation... Also you could argue that chariots were introduced from Northern Gaul in La Tene B if not earlier.

[Gaius Sempronius Gracchus]

At the risk of starting (another) debate, the Iron Age Britons and Irish were not Celts.

....now, that's angered certain persons and political parties.

..but not me

[joshmahurin]

The current tradition dominating "professional" game design is to launch a new game while it is still in obviously an unfinished, barely playable state.

Y'all are doing yeoman's work on this here mod. But, to get your "professional" creds started, I think you should release it to the public now.

I would prefer they didn't follow in the footsteps of modern developers, since this is a huge reason for complaints with modern games.

[Moros]

Isn't that our purpose?

It's moment like this I find it difficult to decide whether to make the joke or not.

[Ailfertes]

A public thank you to the man who has worked magic with EBII's artwork over the years, Tux, and is still doing wonders today - Brennus

Arevaci assassin strat map character finished - nazgool

Thanks to wudang_clown for all his work on the future EBII website - The EB Team

Any idea when the website will be up?

Doing research so that I can finish off the remaining Gallic province descriptions. Next up the starting province of the Aedui - Brennus

The thundering of hooves is getting louder... ~Mithridates VI Eupator

Ominous.

Latest episode of TotalWarCast is up including the interview with abou about EB2: http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...6#post13596526 …

Going to listen right now.

@EBTeam Enjoy my deep, sonorous voice. - abou

[RAWROMNOM]

It's moment like this I find it difficult to decide whether to make the joke or not.

Make them. Dash hopes and dreams with me! EB fan tears are delicious!

[RAWROMNOM]

@EBTeam Enjoy my deep, sonorous voice. - abou

Listening to Abou is like a lullaby from Morgan Freeman.

[Ibrahim]

speaking of which: what is the evidence that the driver even stood on the axle? it is kind of weird and dangerous (even for a chariot) to do that?

[Arjos]

Iirc it's how Caesar described them (better if Brennus weighs in on this), it allowed them to shift the balance in such a way to perform sudden turns. Needless to say it required incredible skills, fitness and a good deal of recklessness :P

BTW forgive my faulty english, they stood on the pole and yoke

[Brennus]

From Caesar, Comentarii de Bello Gallico, describing his first invasion of Britain:

"Their mode of fighting with their chariots is this: firstly, they drive about in all directions and throw their weapons and generally break the ranks of the enemy with the very dread of their horses and the noise of their wheels; and when they have worked themselves in between the troops of horse, leap from their chariots and engage on foot. The charioteers in the mean time withdraw some little distance from the battle, and so place themselves with the chariots that, if their masters are overpowered by the number of the enemy, they may have a ready retreat to their own troops. Thus they display in battle the speed of horse, [together with] the firmness of infantry; and by daily practice and exercise attain to such expertness that they are accustomed, even on a declining and steep place, to check their horses at full speed, and manage and turn them in an instant and run along the pole, and stand on the yoke, and thence betake themselves with the greatest celerity to their chariots again."
BG IV:XXXIII

[Grimmy]

speaking of which: what is the evidence that the driver even stood on the axle? it is kind of weird and dangerous (even for a chariot) to do that?

Back in that time, display (as in doing the outrageously dangerous things, just because you could) was a rather large part of a warrior's reputation in some cultures.

The phrase "you can't do that, you might get hurt" hadn't been invented yet, let alone forced into being the law of the land.

[moonburn]

speaking of which: what is the evidence that the driver even stood on the axle? it is kind of weird and dangerous (even for a chariot) to do that?

because they can ? in 200 years how do you think people will look at mixed martial arts american football or even car and motorcylce races ? it´s a manly thing to put oneself in danger (and a great adrenalin rush because bck then you didn´t had stimulants so thats was one of the few things you could do to get that rush the other was wierd mushrooms)

besides even today we get basejumpers parachuters and a all set od adrenalin junkeys so whats the diference ? if on top of that if you could get the girl and the respect of your group after it it´s worth the risk

[Ibrahim]

From Caesar, Comentarii de Bello Gallico, describing his first invasion of Britain:

"Their mode of fighting with their chariots is this: firstly, they drive about in all directions and throw their weapons and generally break the ranks of the enemy with the very dread of their horses and the noise of their wheels; and when they have worked themselves in between the troops of horse, leap from their chariots and engage on foot. The charioteers in the mean time withdraw some little distance from the battle, and so place themselves with the chariots that, if their masters are overpowered by the number of the enemy, they may have a ready retreat to their own troops. Thus they display in battle the speed of horse, [together with] the firmness of infantry; and by daily practice and exercise attain to such expertness that they are accustomed, even on a declining and steep place, to check their horses at full speed, and manage and turn them in an instant and run along the pole, and stand on the yoke, and thence betake themselves with the greatest celerity to their chariots again."
BG IV:XXXIII

OK, I see where you go it from. thanks!

One thing though: from reading the whole thing, I can't help but noticing the part after it:

and manage and turn them in an instant and run along the pole, and stand on the yoke, and thence betake themselves with the greatest celerity to their chariots again

wouldn't this imply that normally the chariot driver would have sat or stood on the main area of the chariot, and only occasionally went on the yoke and axle area, to show off or change controls? or am I misunderstanding this?

Back in that time, display (as in doing the outrageously dangerous things, just because you could) was a rather large part of a warrior's reputation in some cultures.

The phrase "you can't do that, you might get hurt" hadn't been invented yet, let alone forced into being the law of the land.

that wasn't what I asked. I just asked for evidence, and noted that it was unusual and particularly dangerous* (chariot driving in general is that way anyhow). I did not intend to convey that this was unfeasable, or that I was puzzled by why they did it. but thanks.

* the actual reason being that under normal circumstances, drivers elsewhere didn't typically do that: they drove the chariot from the cart itself.

[Brennus]

wouldn't this imply that normally the chariot driver would have sat or stood on the main area of the chariot, and only occasionally went on the yoke and axle area, to show off or change controls? or am I misunderstanding this?

Most likely, but it doesn't look as cool

[Arjos]

To add, from the account it's clear that for manouvering standing on the pole and yoke was critical. Therefore since it's not possible to create an animation of the driver running back and forth, having him standing of the pole is the best compromise with M2TW's engine :)

[Moros]

The real question is why would one field chariots when one could field camels!?

[Ibrahim]

The real question is why would one field chariots when one could field camels!?

an important philosophical question indeed!

[cahtush]

The real question is why would one field chariots when one could field camels!?

Obviously because camels have a well known weakness to velociraptors.

[moonburn]

not to mention that camels stink it´s not an animal for a king or a noble it´s good enough for merchants and bandits but a king needs to inspire others and somehow i always imagine a king mounted on a donkey trying to inspire his men to fight ... thats why the military leaders used chariots in the absence of aw inspiring beasts of war

[Ailfertes]

Arevaci spy character completed. All Arevaci strat map characters finished - nazgool

Reworking of Seleukid temples done. - abou

Does this mean no more whiskey?

Historically attested Celtiberian names added for the Arevaci, biblical placeholders removed. - Kull

I would give my left leg (the good one) in order to have more 3D/2D artists in the team. -Brennus

I throw in my right eye!

Lusotannan now a different "religion" from Arevaci. Some province religions are diametrically opposed to culture. Iberian chaos! - Kull

Random series of CTDs worsened over past 30 days - Tux diagnosed a Texture problem and inserted (many) fixes. Awesome achievement! -EB Team

Indeed, congrats!

Many thanks to Nazgool! Campaign map is becoming a "thing of beauty" with all his new strat map models! - EB Team

[Ca Putt]

The second best Thing about this thread is that nomatter how far offtopic we wander, ailfertes always gets it back ontopic with his postings.

[Rex Somnorum]

The real question is why would one field chariots when one could field camels!?

Does this mean that the EB team has changed its mind and camel-mounted bedouins will be included in the first release? Please?

[abou]

Does this mean no more whiskey?

Oh, hell no!

EDIT: To be honest, it's mostly cough syrup right now... which can be fun, too.