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**Phalanx300** · 06-06-2010, 21:28

Not sure. I think that in that tread it was pointed out that they most likely were Germanics but on their campaign were probably joined by Celts. That same problem would apply to the Sweboz as well. Besides weapons and clothing I think it would be hard to find any evidence of Germanic origin.

No history on rails indeed, yet you speak as if the Cimbri didn't exist before 272 BC. If they would be around and would be able to field so much manpower later on then it could definately enter as an faction. Also when looked at current doubtfull factions.

**Lvcretivs** · 06-06-2010, 22:48

I - besides other important aspects - merely doubt that the EBII Team has really managed to accumulate research of sufficient quality and quantity to adequately 'flesh out' a second/third proto-germanic tribe - as a distinct, unique playable faction - specific Germanic sources are nonexistent, specific Graeco-Roman sources are very sparse and of doubtful quality, they must be reconciled (stereotypes of 'barbarians',...) with the still relatively sparse archaeological record,... It just seems very unlikely for the 'scholarly' EBII Team to found a entire 272BC Cimbri faction merely on rather questionable hypotheses/conjectures and be actually able to seriously justify their decision.

EDIT: 'important aspects' roughly correspond to Horatius Flaccus' post below.... ;)

**Phalanx300** · 06-07-2010, 10:42

Originally Posted by Lvcretivs

I - besides other important aspects - merely doubt that the EBII Team has really managed to accumulate research of sufficient quality and quantity to adequately 'flesh out' a second/third proto-germanic tribe - as a distinct, unique playable faction - specific Germanic sources are nonexistent, specific Graeco-Roman sources are very sparse and of doubtful quality, they must be reconciled (stereotypes of 'barbarians',...) with the still relatively sparse archaeological record,... It just seems very unlikely for the 'scholarly' EBII Team to found a entire 272BC Cimbri faction merely on rather questionable hypotheses/conjectures and be actually able to seriously justify their decision.

EDIT: 'important aspects' roughly correspond to Horatius Flaccus' post below.... ;)

Yet we already have multiple factions based on the exact same.

Seeing above post, oh well, the bill fitted the Cimbri, too bad.

**Hannibal Khan the Great** · 06-07-2010, 18:41

There truly should be a second Germanic faction, and it would be sad if there wasn't.

**Iain.** · 06-07-2010, 19:04

Aren't the Boii a second germanic faction?

**Arthur, king of the Britons** · 06-07-2010, 19:06

No, they are Celtic.

**Iain.** · 06-07-2010, 19:15

Ah, I thought that he meant that another faction in Germany was needed - as opposed to a Germanic faction.

I doubt they'll include another germanic faction.

**Ibrahim** · 06-09-2010, 04:51

Originally Posted by Hannibal Khan the Great

There truly should be a second Germanic faction, and it would be sad if there wasn't.

that would depend on several things:

1-do they have evidence/information on certain tribes in the area?
2-do they have the manpower to research and produce factional units/skins/models?
3-does it redress some of the balancing problems in EB I, in regards to germania? (I say this matters, since it apparently did for that numidian kingdom+ Pergamon)

for number three, the answer is: any Germanic faction is possibly (not certain) unnecessary, as the Boii would make an excellent balance. and of course, the Boii are good for 1 and 2 as well. otherwise, we wouldn't have a preview of them (in fact, 2 previews).

does that mean there won't be another tribe? no, it doesn't. but it does make it seem less likely there will be. I myself would love another one of those tribes: I do want to see Germanic on Germanic action in custom battles.

**Phalanx300** · 06-11-2010, 13:37

1. This is problem with Casse and Sweboz currently as well. Don't see how the Sweboz could be in but Chattii can't for something the Sweboz shouldn't be in for either.
2. Your point? The faction slot has to be filled, wether its an Germanic faction or not.
3. Yes it would, any faction in or close to Germania would balance out the Sweboz.

**Ca Putt** · 06-11-2010, 13:59

my personal favorite would be the Chatti but as Boii "dominate" the south and chatti would be a bit too close to the Sweboz a belgae faction would make more sence.

**Ibrahim** · 06-11-2010, 23:34

Originally Posted by Phalanx300

1. This is problem with Casse and Sweboz currently as well. Don't see how the Sweboz could be in but Chattii can't for something the Sweboz shouldn't be in for either.
2. Your point? The faction slot has to be filled, wether its an Germanic faction or not.
3. Yes it would, any faction in or close to Germania would balance out the Sweboz.

1- if they have the information and resources, I don't see why not include the Chatti. but its still up to EB. and they may well have other-valid-reasons not to include it.
2-well, if they can't find the people to research and deal with a particular faction, how on earth do you expect them to implement it? unless you want to volunteer to do the Chatti/other tribe of choice, of course.*
3-the Boii do a good enough Job; they are close to Germania, and we now know they're in. what more could you want?

look, I'm not trying to ruin your hopes for a second germanic faction, or a belgae tribe (hell, I like the latter in particular being in, and in fact suspect its already in, as you do), but hey, there are considerations aside from what the average player sees in front of him.

*such considerations also mean (for a non-EB example) that the mod I'm working on, won't have an Italian faction: no research, or time to do so=no Italian faction. which really isn't all that bad, since the Italians weren't seriously involved in the SYW anyways.

EDIT: in case anyone failed to see the point: I'm not saying there ain't going to be a germanic faction acting as a proxy to the Sweboz; I'm just saying that the existence of such is, simply put, up to EB.