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    Default Official EB Tournement Thread

    Since Phalanx is gone and no one can update the old thread, I am taking over and making a new thread.

    General Rules:
    1) EB 1.2 will be used, with all fixes installed(even though you should still be able to play without fixes).

    2) Hamachi shall be used to play the battles.
    THIS CAN CONCEIVABLE CHANGE IF WE CAN GET LEAF TO WORK

    Network Names:
    EBOT_0
    EBOT_1
    EBOT_2
    EBOT_3
    EBOT_4

    Passwords are all EB.

    Small guide for online play by Tolg which was made for the previous tournament:

    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

    Extensive Multiplayer Guide (by Tolg):

    This guide is written so that anyone can understand it. Please just ignore the obvious bits.

    Make sure that you have a clean install of:
    RTW + Patch 1.3 + Patch 1.5
    EB 1.1
    EB 1.2
    The EB 1.2 Fixes
    (Installed in this order)
    Check if your firewall allows RTW to access the Internet
    Download Hamachi
    Install Hamachi and read it's tutorial. It only tales ~2 minutes but helps a lot.
    a) Create a Hamachi network (press the triangul button at the bottom left of the Hamachi window, select create network, enter the name and a password and hit OK)
    b) Join the network that was created by your opponent. (The triangular button again, join network and enter name and pw of the network)
    Now it gets tricky:
    Cut your main internet connection.
    Start EB using the mp .exe and click "Multiplayer" and "Lan Battle"
    Minimize your game (Alt + Tab or Alt + Esc)
    Reenable your Internet connection
    return to the game and do as described in the previous guide (Step 8).
    Don't forget to save the replay once you're done!


    3) Main Rules:

    Budget Mnai:
    36K

    Definitions:
    -The cavalry types of LIGHT/MEDIUM/HEAVY are assigned by the description, not their in game tags.
    -MISSILE CAVALRY is classified as MEDIUM since they almost exclusively use secondary swords or overhand spears.
    -ELITE units are those who are described as elite by their ingame or EB website descriptions.
    -FACTIONAL UNITS are those units that are listed under you faction' description on the EB website.
    -MERCENARY/ALLIED units are those units that you have access to in multiplayer roster that are not on the website.
    -SKIRMISHERS are javelin armed units that have a skirmish mode option.
    -A PHALANX is a unit which has a phalanx mode option, not hoplites or other untis described as a 'phalanx.'
    -A PHALANX BOX is a formation of phalanxes where the phalanxes are put into a rectangle or some other enclosed shape.
    -A RUN THROUGH is where you order your men to run through an enemy formation.
    -ARCHER rules also apply to SLINGERS
    -ELEPHANTS are counted as cavalry.

    Normal Army Rules:
    -Max 6 Elites
    -Max 5 Mercenary/Allies
    -Max 8 Phalanx

    -Max 5 Cavalry
    -Max 3 Heavy Cavalry
    -Max 4 Archers/Horse Archers
    -Max 6 Skirmishers/Horse Skirmishers
    -Max 2 Elephants

    Steppe Army Rules:
    -Max 6 Elites
    -Max 5 Mercenary/Allies
    -Max 6 Phalanx
    -Max 10 infantry

    -Max 10 Cavalry
    -Max 4 Heavy Cavalry
    -Max 8 Archers/Horse Archers
    -Max 8 Skirmishers/Horse Skirmishers
    -Max 2 Elephants

    Steppe Rules can only be used by Steppe Factions and those who (mostly) border Steppe Factions, these factions can use those rules:
    -Pahlava
    -Saka
    -Sauromatae
    -Hayasdan
    -Getai
    -Baktria

    Steppe factions can elect to go with normal rules instead of steppe rules.

    Other Limits:
    You have use 1 experience point boost(the chevron). No other upgrades are allowed with one exception(see below).

    Faction Specific Rules:
    -Romans are LIMITED to the factional units from one era. Pick one and stick with it. However, you may use Samnite Spearmen in Polybian and Velites in Marian. Italian Units(Samnites, Pedites, Italian Elite Cavalry, Campanian Cavalry, Ligurians, Bruttians, and Lucianians should not be used after Polybian)

    -Mercy Rule for Saba: It has no army composition limit, just upgrade limits. They aren't going to do well so I respect whoever has the balls to play this faction.

    Team Rules
    -Teams must be of the same size. Winners get 1 point each, losers lose 1 point each.

    Fair Play Rules
    -NO RUN THROUGHS. The exceptions are when you are withdrawing your cavalry when they are surrounded and when the unit is in loose(which screws up the engagement AI).
    -NO CHARGING THROUGH YOUR OWN MEN WITH CAVALRY. You can charge them together or you can charge infantry after. The exception to this rule is if its reasonably accidental in the heat of battle or minor.
    -DO NOT MOVE ELEPHANTS OR CHARIOTS THROUGH YOUR OWN MEN. They would be killed in real life so since this isn't in RTW, you cannot do this.
    -NO STACKING YOUR UNITS ONTOP OF EACH OTHER EXCEPT WHEN ATTACKING, only up to 25% of a unit may be covered by other units. You can have attacking units overlapping to sim reenforce/crush of a major charge/break guard mode units. ARCHERS OR SLINGERS FIRING DO NO COUNT AS 'ATTACKING' UNITS. ATTACKING UNITS MUST BE A UNIT NOT IN GUARD MODE ATTACKING IN MELEE. The exception to the exception is that NO PHALANX UNIT MAY OVERLAP ANOTHER PHALANX UNIT MORE THAN 25% EVEN IF THEY ARE ATTACKING.
    -When choosing elephants/chariots, ANNOUNCE THAT YOU HAVE ELEPHANTS/CHARIOTS!!!
    -If you are Rome, please say what reform you are.
    -If you are using a steppe army, please say that you are using steppe rules.
    -No moving cavalry through units with the phalanx ability whether its on or off unless its in loose.

    Victory Conditions
    -If your opponent has no cavalry and makes a phalangite box and you can surround it with your men. You win.
    -If your opponent has only cavalry, you outnumber them more than 2:1, and you're just chasing him around the map, if after 5 minutes your opponent does not attack, you win.

    Draw Rules
    -If the map is the side of a Mountain, a Bridge, has closely spaced Buildings then you are allowed to leave the game during deployment phase without penalty.
    -If one player crashes during the game and it has not been decisively decided(submit to jury), then there is no penalty.
    -If or you opponent allows you to, you can restart the game with no penalty.

    Jury: Replays will be posted so save your tournament battles! After which we collectively in the official battle report thread to decide whether it was a legit win. Practice/test battles should be posted here.
    So since its been so long since the initial sign up, I'm going to ask all palyers to sign up again.

    Saba
    Parallel Pain - Good Luck.

    Aedui
    NeoSpartan

    Averni
    The Celtic Viking

    Romani
    Agrippa
    ACS
    Mithick666
    spiritusdilutus
    Lestat
    JinandJuice

    Saka
    Antisocialmunky

    Carthage
    Darius_D
    Jebivjetar
    m0r1d1n

    Arche Seleukia
    HunGeneral*
    French-Legionaire
    Fluvius Camillus
    Kniva

    Pontos
    tsidneku
    Apázlinemjó

    Makedonia
    Maion
    Alexander
    Flavius_Belisarius

    Getai
    Maris
    mountaingoat

    KH
    Alsatia
    "Hiero"

    Sweboz
    Phalanx300

    Hayasdan
    Vartan

    Casse
    Gabeed

    Unit Lists
    -E = Elite
    -H = Heavy Cav

    Notable Elite Mercenary List: - This is not meant to be definitive. You should first check other's faction's lists to find if a certain mercenary is a factional for someone else and elite.
    -Thracian Rhomph Assault Infantry
    -Any Naked Fanatics
    -Cretan Archers
    -Baleric Slingers
    -Rhodian Slingers
    -Gallic/Belgae/Galatian Heavy Cavalry -H
    -Any Noble Horse Archers

    Rome - Your factional troops ARE RESTRICTED to these. Don't use factions from other eras. You don't have to announce your choice. Just stick to the one you pick.
    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

    Camillan Factionals
    Camillian Hastati
    Camillian Principles
    Camillian Triarii -E
    Camillian Equites
    Leves
    Accensi
    Rorarii
    Pedites Extraordinarii -E
    Samnite Hastati
    Equites Extraordinarii -E -H
    Consular Bodyguards -E -H

    Polybian Factionals
    Polybian Hastati
    Polybian Principles
    Polybian Triarii -E
    Polybian Equites
    Velites
    Pedites Extraordinarii -E
    Samnite Hastati
    Equites Extraordinarii -E -H
    Consular Bodyguards -E -H

    Marian
    Velites
    Antesignani - E
    Cohors Reformata
    1st Cohors Reformata - E
    Cohors Evocata
    The 4 Auxillary Cavalry types
    Consular Bodyguards -E -H

    Imperial
    Vigiles
    Antesignani - E
    Cohors Praetoriana -E
    Cohors Imperitoria
    1st Cohors Imperitoria - E
    Cohors Evocata
    Ala Imperitoria
    Eqvites Praetoriani - E
    Equites Singulares -E -H
    Cohors Validvm Avxiliarivm
    Cohors Sagittariorvm Levantinorvm -E

    Italian Units - Don't use these after Polybian
    Equites Extraordinarii -E -H
    Samnite Hastati
    Ligurian Infantry
    Ligurian Cavalry
    Campanian Cavalry - E
    Bruttian Infantry
    Lucianian Light Infantry
    Pedites Extraordinarii


    Aedui/Arvernii
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    Lugoae
    Gaeroas
    Gaelaiche
    Botroas
    Iaosatae
    Sotaroas
    Bagaudas
    Bataroas
    Uirodusios -E
    Teceitos
    Gaesatae -E
    Solduros -E
    Golberi Curoas
    Enoci Curoas
    Neitos
    Carnute Cingetos -E
    Arjos -E
    Leuce Epos
    Brihentin -E -H
    Curepos
    Noricene Gaecori
    Batacorii
    Milnaht
    Taramannos
    Remi Mairepos -E -H
    Mori Gaesum -E
    Gaizoz Alje


    Arche Seleukia - Hellenic Cataphracts... They are expensive but they suck against horses and bad morale so they are professional IMHO(debate)
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    Pantodapoi (Hellenic Native Spearmen)
    Akontistai (Hellenic Skirmishers)
    Gund-i Palta (Eastern Skirmishers)
    Sphendonetai (Hellenic Slingers)
    Shuban-i Fradakhshana (Eastern Slingers)
    Toxotai (Hellenic Archers)
    Thanvare Payahdag (Persian Archers)
    Nizagan-i Eranshahr (Persian Archer-Spearmen)
    Iudaioi Taxeis (Jewish Spearmen)
    Katpatuka Zanteush (Cappadoccian Hillmen)
    Peltastai (Hellenic Heavy Skirmishers)
    Misthophoroi Uazali (Mercenary Karian Warband)
    Toxotai Syriakoi (Syrian Archers)
    Pantodapoi Phalangitai (Hellenic Native Phalanx)
    Klerouchoi Phalangitai (Hellenic Medium Phalanx)
    Pezhetairoi
    Thureophoroi (Hellenic Spearmen)
    Thorakitai
    Tabargane Eranshahr (Eastern Axemen)
    Asabaran-i Hauravatish (Arachosian Skirmisher Cavalry)
    Asabaran-i Madaen (Median Medium Cavalry)
    Khuveshavagan (Persian Heavy Cavalry) -E -H
    Asiatikoi Hippakontistai (Eastern Light Cavalry)
    Asiatikoi Hippeis (Medium Eastern Cavalry)
    Galatikoi Lavotuxri (Galatian Heavy Cavalry) -H -E
    Prodromoi (Successor Medium Cavalry)
    Hetairoi Aspidophoroi -E
    Lonchophoroi Hippeis (Hellenic Medium Cavalry) -H
    Hellenikoi Kataphraktoi (Hellenic Cataphracts) -H -E
    Argyraspides (Hellenic Elite Phalanx) -E
    Hypaspistai -E
    Peltastai Makedonikoi (Hellenistic Elite Infantry) -E
    Thorakitai Agematos Basilikou (Hellenic Elite Spearmen) -E
    Hetairoi (Companion Cavalry) -E -H
    Elephantes Indikoi (Indian Elephants) -E
    Elephantes Kataphraktoi Indikoi -E -H


    Baktria
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    Pantodapoi (Hellenic Native Spearmen)
    Gund-i Palta (Eastern Skirmishers)
    Shuban-i Fradakhshana (Eastern Slingers)
    Thanvare Payahdag (Persian Archers)
    Nizagan-i Eranshahr (Persian Archer-Spearmen)
    Pantodapoi Phalangitai (Hellenic Native Phalanx)
    Kofyaren-i Kavakaza (Baktrian Light Infantry)
    Tabargane Eranshahr (Eastern Axemen)
    Peltastai (Hellenic Heavy Skirmishers)
    Thureophoroi (Hellenic Spearmen)
    Thorakitai
    Pezhetairoi
    Prodromoi (Successor Medium Cavalry)
    Baktrioi Hippeis (Baktrian Medium Cavalry) -H
    Baktrioi Hippotoxotai (Baktrian Horse-Archers)
    Baktrion Agema (Baktrian Royal Guard) -E
    Peltastai Makedonikoi (Hellenistic Elite Infantry) -E
    Hellenikoi Kataphraktoi (Hellenic Cataphracts) -H
    Somatophylakes Strategou (Baktrian Early Bodyguard) -H -E
    Hetairoi Kataphraktoi -H -E
    Elephantes Indikoi (Indian Elephants)-H
    Elephantes Kataphraktoi Indikoi (Armoured Indian Elephants) -H -E
    Hindus Pattisainya (Indian Spearmen)
    Hindus Patiyodha (Indian Longbowmen)
    Sreni Pattya Yoddaha (Infantry Guild Warriors) -E
    Kamboja Asvaka Ksatriya (Indo-Iranian Light Cavalry) -E
    Taxilan Agema (Indo-Iranian Heavy cavalry) -E -H
    Peltastai Indohellenikoi (Indo-Greek Peltasts)
    Hoplitai Indohellenikoi (Indo-Hellenic Medium Infantry)
    Indohellenikoi Eugeneis Hoplitai (Indo-Greek Noble Hoplites) -E
    Asab�r�n-� Haur�vat�sh (Arachosian Skirmisher Cavalry)
    Daha Baexdzhyntae (Dahae Riders)


    Hayasdan Courtesy of Vartan
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    Quote Originally Posted by vartan
    Hayasdan Faction Troops

    Pantodapoi Phalangitai (Hellenic Native Phalanx)
    Gund-i Palta (Eastern Skirmishers)
    Shuban-i Fradakhshana (Eastern Slingers)
    Thanvare Payahdag (Persian Archers)
    Kavakaza Sparabara (Caucasian Spearmen)
    Hai Nizagamartik (Armenian Spearmen)
    Kovkasi Lernain Netadzik (Caucasian Archers)
    Nizakahar Ayrudzi (Armenian Skirmisher Cavalry)
    Ayrudzi Netadzik (Armenian Horse-Archers)
    Aspet Hetselazor (Armenian Medium Cavalry)
    Srakir Martikner (Armenian Medium Infantry)
    Zrahakir Netadzik (Armenian Armoured Horse-Archers) -E
    Nakhararakan Tiknapah (Armenian Noble Infantry) -E
    Nakhararakan Aspet (Armenian Noble Cataphracts) -E -H
    Khuveshavagan Shavar (Armenian Early Bodyguards) -E -H
    Hye Sparapet (Armenian Late Bodyguards) -E -H
    Pantodapoi (Hellenic Native Spearmen)
    Skuda Fistaeg Fat Aexsdzhytae (Scythian Foot Archers)
    Doryphoroi Pontikoi (Pontic Light Spearmen)
    Kardaka Arteshtar (Persian Hoplites)
    Bydirag Baexdzhyntae (Steppe Riders)
    Kartvelebi Dashna-Mebrdzolebi (Georgian Swordsmen)
    Skuda Fat Aexsdzhytae (Scythian Horse-Archers)
    Toxotai Syriakoi (Syrian Archers) -E
    Khuveshavagan (Kinsmen Heavy Cavalry) -E -H

    Khuveshavagan (Kinsmen Heavy Cavalry) is not on website but I assure you they are factional (the team must have forgotten to place unit on the site).

    Are Syrian Archers elite? If so, do not forget to place an -E next to the unit and reply back please so I know.

    Anyone playing Hayasdan should know that any other unit in MP Edu not on this list is a mercenary. They should also note that the Median cavalry that is factional according to the website is actually not even on the MP Edu (i.e. nonexistant in multiplayer games); this makes Median cavalry no issue at all.

    Thanks a bunch.

    Your pal,
    Vartan
    I'm going to approve the Kinsmen Heavy Cavalry since Hay gets that Persian Empire reform.


    Pontos Factional Troops by Tsidneku
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    Harmata Drepanephora (Scythed Chariots) -H
    Pantodapoi (Hellenic Native Spearmen)
    Hoplitai Haploi
    Akontistai (Hellenic Skirmishers)
    Gund-� Palt� (Eastern Skirmishers)
    Sphendonetai (Hellenic Slingers)
    Sh�b�n-� Frad�khsh�n� (Eastern Slingers)
    Toxotai (Hellenic Archers)
    Thanvar� Pay�hdag (Persian Archers)
    Pantodapoi Phalangitai (Hellenic Native Phalanx)
    Hoplitai
    Peltastai (Hellenic Heavy Skirmishers)
    Thureophoroi (Hellenic Spearmen)
    Klerouchoi Phalangitai (Hellenic Medium Phalanx)
    Lonchophoroi Hippeis (Hellenic Medium Cavalry) -H
    Misthophoroi Uazali (Mercenary Karian Warband)
    Galatikoi Kluddolon (Galatian Shortswordsmen)
    Galatikoi Lavotuxri (Galatian Heavy Cavalry) –E-H
    Galatikoi Kuarothoroi (Galatian Heavy Spearmen)
    Galatikoi Tindanotae (Galatian "Wild Men" Infantry) -E
    Anatolikoi Phyletai (Anatolian Hillmen)
    Katpatuka Zanteush (Cappadoccian Hillmen)
    Katpatuka Asabara (Cappadocian Medium Cavalry)
    Nizakahar Ayrudzi (Armenian Skirmisher Cavalry)
    Skuda Fistaeg Fat Aexsdzhytae (Scythian Foot Archers)
    Skudra Tabari (Scythian Axemen)
    Doryphoroi Pontikoi (Pontic Light Spearmen)
    Thureopherontes Toxotai (Bosphoran Heavy Archers) -E
    Bydirag Baexdzhyntae (Steppe Riders)
    Skuda Uaezdaettae (Scythian Noble Cavalry)-E -H
    Pontikoi Thorakitai (Pontic Elite Infantry)
    Chalkaspidai (Pontic Elite Phalanx) -E
    Kh�vesh�vag�n� Sh�hv�r (Pontic Early Bodyguards) –E-H
    Pontikoi Strategoi (Pontos Late Bodyguard) – E -H


    Carthage
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    Poeni Citizen Militia - Mishteret Izrahim Feenikim
    Carthaginian Citizen Cavalry - Ezrahim Parashim Feenikim
    Libyan Spearmen (early) - Aanatim Leebim
    Libyan Heavy Spearmen (late) - Aanatim Leebim
    Liby-Phoenician Infantry (early) - Dorki Leebi-Feenikim Mookdamim
    Liby-Phoenician Heavy Infantry (late) - Dorki Leebi-Feenikim Meshoorianim
    Dorkim Leebi-Feenikim Aloophim (Elite Liby-Phoenician Infantry) -E
    Parasim Lebiponnim (Liby-Phoenician Cavalry) -E -H
    Elite African Infantry - Dorkim Afrikanim Aloophim -E
    Elite African Pikeman - Aanatim Afrikanim Aloophim -E
    Iberian Assault Infantry - Dorkei Hatkafa -E
    Dorkim Kdoshim - (Sacred Band Phalanx) -E
    Ha'Abbirim Ha'Qdosim sel Astarte (Sacred Band Cavalry) -E -H
    Elephantes Hulaioi Liboukoi (Forest Elephants) -H
    Numidian Skirmishers
    Qala'im Numidim (Numidian Slingers)
    Numidian Cavalry
    Kasatim Numidim (Numidian Archers)
    Gldgmtk (Numidian Nobles) -E
    Iberian Milites
    Balearic Light Infantry
    Balearic Slingers -E
    Iberian Caetratii
    Iberian Scutarii
    Iberian Curisii
    Equites Caetratii
    Iberian Lancearii -E -H
    Dorkim Shardanim (Sardinian Infantry)


    Getai
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    Komatai (Dacian Skirmishers)
    Komatai Sphendonetai (Dacian Slingers)
    Mezenai (Dacian Light Cavalry)
    Komatai Toxotai (Dacian Archers)
    Drapanai (Dacian Shock Infantry)
    Komatai Agrianai (Dacian Elite Archers) -E
    Komatai Epilektoi (Dacian Elite Skirmishers) -E
    Getikoi Hippotoxotai (Dacian Horse Archers)
    Komatai Pelekuphoroi (Costobocii Axemen )
    Ischyroi Orditon (Elite Dacian Infantry) -E
    Getikoi Stratiotai (Dacian Light Phalanx)
    Ktistai (Dacian Noble Cavalry) -E
    Komatai Thorakitai Stratiotai (Dacian Heavy Phalanx)
    Tarabostes (Thracian Medium Cavalry)
    Phylakes Daoi (Dacian Bodyguards) -E -H
    Thraikioi Doryphoroi (Thracian Light Spearmen)
    Taxeis Triballoi
    Thraikioi Hippeis (Thracian Light Cavalry)
    Thraikioi Peltastai (Thracian Peltasts)
    Thraikioi Rhomphaiaphoroi (Elite Thracian Infantry) -E
    Thrakioi Prodromoi


    KH
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    Hoplitai Haploi (Greek Levy Hoplites)
    Akontistai (Hellenic Skirmishers)
    Sphendonetai (Hellenic Slingers)
    Toxotai (Hellenic Archers)
    Hippakontistai (Hellenic Skirmisher Cavalry)
    Hoplitai (Greek Classical Hoplites)
    Peltastai (Hellenic Heavy Skirmishers) / Thracian Peltastai (There is a EDU bug)
    Ekdromoi Hoplitai (Greek Light Hoplites)
    Thureophoroi (Hellenic Spearmen)
    Thorakitai
    Hippeis (Greek Medium Cavalry)
    Prodromoi (Successor Medium Cavalry)
    Hetairoi Aspidophoroi -E
    Iphikratous Hoplitai (Greek Hoplite Phalanx)
    Toxotai Kretikoi (Cretan Archers) -E
    Hippeis Xystophoroi (Greek Noble Cavalry) -E -H
    Koinon Hellenon Phalangitai (Greek Pikemen)
    Thorakitai Hoplitai (Greek Heavy Hoplite Phalanx)
    Epilektoi Hoplitai -E
    Spartiatai Hoplitai (Spartan Hoplites) -E
    Sphendonetai Rhodioi (Rhodian Slingers) -E
    Somatophylakes Strategou (Greek General) -E


    Macedonia
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    Hoplitai Haploi (Greek Levy Hoplites)
    Phalangitai Deuteroi (Hellenic Levy Phalanx)
    Akontistai (Hellenic Skirmishers)
    Sphendonetai (Hellenic Slingers)
    Toxotai (Hellenic Archers)
    Hippakontistai (Hellenic Skirmisher Cavalry)
    Hoplitai (Greek Classical Hoplites)
    Peltastai (Hellenic Heavy Skirmishers)
    Thureophoroi (Hellenic Spearmen)
    Prodromoi (Successor Medium Cavalry)
    Pezhetairoi
    Argyraspides (Hellenic Elite Phalanx) -E
    Hysteroi Pezhetairoi (Macedonian Reformed Heavy Phalanx)
    Hippeis Thessalikoi (Thessalian Heavy Cavalry) -E -H
    Lonchophoroi Hippeis (Hellenic Medium Cavalry) -H
    Hetairoi Aspidophoroi -E
    Hypaspistai -E
    Peltastai Makedonikoi (Hellenistic Elite Infantry) -E
    Hetairoi (Companion Cavalry) -E -H
    Agrianikoi Pelekephoroi (Agrianian Assault Infantry)
    Thraikioi Doryphoroi (Thracian Light Spearmen)
    Thrakioi Hippeis (Thracian Light Cavalry)
    Taxeis Triballoi
    Thrakioi Peltastai (Thracian Peltasts)
    Thraikioi Rhomphaiaphoroi (Elite Thracian Infantry) -E
    Thrakioi Prodromoi


    Sweboz
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    Gaizoz Frije (Germanic Levy Spearmen)
    Jugunthiz (Germanic Skirmishers)
    Dugunthiz (Germanic Spearmen)
    Slaganz (Germanic Club Infantry)
    Skutjanz (Germanic Archers)
    Herunautoz (Germanic Swordsmen)
    Skaduganganz (Germanic Naked Spearmen) -E
    Ridanz (Germanic Light Cavalry)
    Speutagardaz (Germanic Pikemen)
    Thegnoz Drugule (Germanic Heavy Infantry) -E
    Marhathegnoz (Germanic Heavy Cavalry) -E -H
    Herthaganautoz (Germanic Bodyguard Infantry) -E
    Druhtiz Habukisku (Chauci Spearmen)
    Druhtiz Herusku (Cherusci Swordsmen)
    Jugunthiz Hattisku (Chatti Club Infantry)
    Dugunthiz Hattisku (Chatti Spearmen)
    Druhtiz Skandzisku (Scandinavian Spearmen)
    Gaizoz Alje (Celto-Germanic Spearmen)


    Casse
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    Milnaht
    Lugoae
    Imannae
    Cemmeinarn (Briton Midland Spearmen)
    Gaeroas
    Gaelaiche
    Uirodusios (Celtic Naked Spearmen) -E
    Kluddobro (Briton Shortswordsmen)
    Botroas
    Iaosatae
    Sotaroas
    Teceitos (Celtic Axemen)
    Calawre (Casse Champions)
    Drwdae (Druids) -E
    Cwmyr (Briton Midlander Heroes)
    Kluddargos (Casse Sword Masters)-E
    Rycalawre (Casse Late Champions)-E
    Myrcharn (Casse Light Cavalry)-E
    The Myrcharn (Mur-churn; "Mounted Ones")
    Cidainh (Celtic Chariots) -E
    Bodyguard Cidainh (Celtic Chariots) -.5E
    Pictone Neitos (Pictone "Painted" Swordsmen)
    Balroae (Caledonian Skirmishers)
    Silurae Birnai (Siluri Warband)
    The Silurae Birnai (Sel-oor-ay Bern-ay; Silurii Warband)


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    Akontistai (Hellenic Skirmishers)
    Sphendonetai (Hellenic slingers)
    Toxotai (Hellenic Archers)
    Hippakontistai (Hellenic Skirmisher Cavalry)
    Machimoi (Native Egyptian Infantry)
    Machimoi Phalangitai (Machimoi Native Phalanx)
    Iudaioi Taxeis (Jewish Spearmen)
    Peltastai (Hellenic Heavy Skirmishers)
    Uazali (Karian Warband)
    Thureophoroi (Hellenic Spearmen)
    Thorakitai
    Klerouchoi Phalangitai (Hellenic Medium Phalanx)
    Pezhetairoi
    Machimoi Hippeis (Machimoi Light Cavalry)
    Lonchophoroi Hippeis (Hellenic Medium Cavalry) -H
    Prodromoi (Successor Medium Cavalry)
    Elephantes Hulaioi Liboukoi (African Forest Elephants) -H
    Galatikoi Kleruchoi (Galatian Heavy Infantry)
    Klerouchikon Agema (Ptolemaic Elite Phalanx) -E
    Agema Klerouchikon Hippeon (Ptolemaic Heavy Cavalry) -H
    Basilikon Agema (Royal Guards) -E
    Hetairoi (Companion Cavalry) -E -H
    Somatophylakes Strategou -E -H
    Toxotai Kretikoi (Cretan Archers) -E
    Hoplitai Troglodutikes (Red Sea Hoplites)
    Hetairoi Aspidophoroi -E


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    Halstehveyyau (Saka Spearmen)
    Duna Asya (Saka Horse-Archers)
    Assa-Barai (Saka Riders)
    Asya Badarai (Saka Heavy Cavalry) -H
    Ysaninu Aysna (Early Saka Nobles) -E
    Ysaninu Aysiramj� (Saka Cataphracts) -H
    Spatahaura Hadabara (Saka Armored Nobles) -E -H
    Yuehzi Noble Horse Archers -E
    Sahiya Hadabara (Saka Late Cataphract) -E -H
    Hoplitai Indohellenikoi (Indo-Hellenic Medium Infantry)
    Peltastai Indohellenikoi (Indo-Greek Peltasts)
    Hoplitai Hellenikon (Saka Heavy Hoplites)
    Indohellenikoi Eugeneis Hoplitai (Indo-Greek Noble Hoplites) -E
    Agema Hellenikon (Indo-Greek Royal Guard) -E
    Agema Hippeon Hellenikon (Indo-Hellenic Heavy Cavalry) -E -H
    Elephantes Indikoi (Indian Elephants) -H
    Elephantes Kataphraktoi Indikoi (Armoured Indian Elephants) -H -E
    Hindus Pattisainya (Indian Spearmen)
    Hindus Patiyodha (Indian Longbowmen)
    Sreni Pattya Yoddaha (Infantry Guild Warriors) -E
    Kamboja Asvaka Ksatriya (Indo-Iranian Light Cavalry) -E
    Taxilan Agema (Indo-Iranian Heavy cavalry) -H -E


    The tournement is scheduled to start July 1st 2009 and last all of July. I will create some new rooms and a battle report thread when that time comes

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    I would join the Arche Seleukeia team - however since my comp is out of order and I don't know how soon I can get it working again I'm not sure if I can take part in the tournament in time.
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    Well, this tournement is going to run for a whole month so people can come and go. Anyways, I'll put you down. :)
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    Sign me up as Pontos.

    I have several quick questions for clarification:

    1) Do Heavy Cavalry double as "Elite"? Most, if not all (I haven't checked), 'heavy cavalry' classification ought to be elite units. Elephants do count as cavalry, right?

    2) Are those "Max 4 horse-archer" and "Max 6 horse-skirmisher" rules considered sub-sets of the "5 cavalry" rule?
    I assume that they aren't -- because you wouldn't have said Max 6 horse-skirmisher/skirmisher if the limit was to 5... unless you were implying that someone might mix horse-based skirmishers with normal skirmishers to come up with the sum of 6? (sorry if the previous sentence is really confusing)

    3) When you mentioned the limit on "phalanx" units, I assume that you mean phalangite units with the 'phalanx button' in the game? As opposed to standard Hoplitai Phalanx (the ones that KH is so well known for) that can't actually form up into a 'phalanx' ingame. Please advise.

    Thanks for organizing this, antisocialmunky.
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    join me whit the Roman Team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tsidneku View Post
    Sign me up as Pontos.

    I have several quick questions for clarification:

    1) Do Heavy Cavalry double as "Elite"? Most, if not all (I haven't checked), 'heavy cavalry' classification ought to be elite units. Elephants do count as cavalry, right?

    2) Are those "Max 4 horse-archer" and "Max 6 horse-skirmisher" rules considered sub-sets of the "5 cavalry" rule?
    I assume that they aren't -- because you wouldn't have said Max 6 horse-skirmisher/skirmisher if the limit was to 5... unless you were implying that someone might mix horse-based skirmishers with normal skirmishers to come up with the sum of 6? (sorry if the previous sentence is really confusing)

    3) When you mentioned the limit on "phalanx" units, I assume that you mean phalangite units with the 'phalanx button' in the game? As opposed to standard Hoplitai Phalanx (the ones that KH is so well known for) that can't actually form up into a 'phalanx' ingame. Please advise.

    Thanks for organizing this, antisocialmunky.
    1)Most heavy cav is elite but not all.

    2)And yeah, the max ha+archer/hs+skirmisher limits are toward those respective missile limits just like before. So you can have 3 HA, 1 Archer, 2 other Cav. or something.

    3)Phalangites are the only units that count towards the limit.
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    Yeah, I guess I'll join up with the Makedones then.

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    Put me down for the Romani team.

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    Nice to see this tournament revived, good rules too!

    How could you forget I was on the Arche Seleukeia team?

    Is bodyguard included as elite or does everyone have 1 bodyguard excluded from countin?

    I hope these rules satisfy people, then we can finally start this!

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    join me whit the Roman Team.

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    bunch of romans!

    one for getai here

    there should be a levy or light infantry rule
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    Hi....sign me as the mighty Getai....thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluvius Camillus View Post
    Nice to see this tournament revived, good rules too!

    How could you forget I was on the Arche Seleukeia team?

    Is bodyguard included as elite or does everyone have 1 bodyguard excluded from countin?

    I hope these rules satisfy people, then we can finally start this!

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    Well so far in ths tournement, we've been counting the general's bodygaurd as elite. No one gets a free general's unit this time around it seems.

    Did anyone want to talk about rules or budget? Since I'm giving Getai weapons bonuses and Celts extra elites, I think that 40K is a good place to stay though 35K-36K might still be better. I'm actually leaning towards 36K right now. Anyways, if you're practicing now, can you test one of the proposed rules like elite#, attack upgrade, and the 40K, 36K, or 35K budgets?
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    Add me to Pontos please.
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    are we going to form teams of some sort(keeping them regional to some extent ... like no romans with sweboz) ?

    also is the tournament going to be regional (rome/hellene vs rome/hellene , barb vs barb , steppe vs steppe ) then the top teams from each region ?

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    Well, I was thinking it was going to be everyone vs everyone. Since people can check which faction their opponents are playing and the Getai can field steppe armies. The only question would be the Sweboz but I forsee them just spamming pike infantry against steppe.

    PS. I also updated steppe rules to prevent people like me from abusing them just to have extra cav by instituting a 10 infantry cap:). Steppe armies need to stay horse heavy or there is no point.

    Also updated with some other rules I forgot like announcing elephants.

    EDIT:
    I've been testing the 1 weapon upgrade rule. Comboed with a chevron, it allows Draps to kill regular hoplties while losing to missile armed celtic hoplites. It allows Bastarnae to break even with Roman Legionaires(they do end up costing more though). I think its pretty fair considering the nakedness of Getic armies and they will evaporate to missiles.

    It can get a little broken if they hide in trees.

    EDIT2: Oh yeah, I think this was brought up earlier but did we want to make an official map list? Someone suggested that we remove all the broken maps OR we can give each faction a set of maps to use what someone of that faction hosts. Romans would have Italian Maps, Getai get Thracian and Daciaa maps :).
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    so there is no set team? well it would be nice if we could form teams if this is 3v3 or something ... if we have it without regional teams then that is fine.

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    Oh, that's what you mean. Hmm, that wouldn't be a bad idea. We could have regional battles. Italians + Greeks vs Celts, Gauls, Germans or something like that right?

    Yeah that'd be cool. I'll go hammer the groups out.
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    The EB Hamachi networks are quite inactive nowadays.
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    I haven't seen oyu around at all for about 2 weeks so I suspect that you're just not getting on that often. Many people are gone but currently I see 5 people online.
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    So:

    Team Rules
    -You can play team games with anyone. The number of players ahve to be eaven though.
    -Winner all receive a victory to their faction, loses get a loss for each on of their factions.

    ATTENTION:
    If no one has any suggestions or discussion by Friday:
    -Mnai will be set to 36K
    -1 weapon upgrade will be allowed for Getai, Sweboz, and Saba (Infantry Only)
    -Saba will have no unit limit restrictions
    -Gauls and Britons will have 8 elites
    ... and other rules will be in place.

    Please review and gripe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by antisocialmunky View Post
    I haven't seen oyu around at all for about 2 weeks so I suspect that you're just not getting on that often. Many people are gone but currently I see 5 people online.
    I get on usually, but only for 1 or 2 battles, because my laptop tends to overheat.

    40k mnai would be better and if we add Swebóz and Getai to the 8 elite limit then I don't think they will have problem with that.
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    I'll represent the KH...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Apázlinemjó View Post
    I get on usually, but only for 1 or 2 battles, because my laptop tends to overheat.

    40k mnai would be better and if we add Swebóz and Getai to the 8 elite limit then I don't think they will have problem with that.
    I don't know if it'll matter if we give them 8 elites. Their mid-range is so woefully armored that 1/2 their army will die like flies. The weapons upgrade on the other hand costs like 50 mnai and will increase their kill rate noticably. On the other hand, the Getai have very nice profession level armies. So its really a matter of spending 2000ish to kill a cohort or 2700 to kill a cohort.

    Do Sweboz even have any elites besides the Germanic heavy infantry?
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    Do Sweboz even have any elites besides the Germanic heavy infantry?
    Ghost Warriors, Animal Warriors and Heavy Cavalry.

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    Do you know what I actually don't understand? Isn't it natural for the Sweboz to die like flies when their soldiers are unarmoured? That's just the nature of their military, I don't really understand why you guys are so obsessed with bringing everyone down to the same level. If you want a "fair" fight with the Sweboz, just make sure you fight a battle in woods or something. Ambushes, anyone? The purpose of this Tournament, as far as I've understood, is just to put all factions together and determine the winner through some restrictions that are the same for all factions. By bringing everyone to the same level, you loose the point of the whole Tournament.

    Why give one chevron to factions that have cheap armies? Why give weapon upgrades to factions that have unarmoured troops? And you know who gets the short end of the stick in the end, don't you? I personally don't really care wether I get my arse handed to me (which is most probably going to be the case if I face a chevroned and weapon upgraded army while having less money to spend if the cap is reduced to 35,000), but for Christs' sake try to keep things a bit realistic here. Rules like restricting elites, heavy cavalry and the like is good, I applaud that. Also, don't anyone mention the phalanx exploit because everyone with a considerable amount of sanity knows this is simply a cheat and it's banning is rational to say the least.

    Do you want a solution from me? Implement the defender-chooses-his-battleground system. Because I know simply shouting the rule system is wrong is not right and won't get anywere. The only thing I ask you to do, at least, is to simply consider my points and aknowledge that what you're doing is bringing all factions down to the same level. Every faction has its own weaknesses and strong points, that's just the way things are no matter what you want to believe. The Romans didn't beat the Macedonians because they had better quality armies per se (which they did, by the way), but because they were more prepared, has must greater resources and the determination to keep coming back.

    But if you still refuse to listen to me and take those fingers out of your ears, I guess there is no other option left that to actually let you see what is going to happen practically if those rules are implemented. And I want to see if you're going to have the guts to admit you were wrong then, because I'm almost certain our victory percentages are going to fall at least above 40%. Just to show you, I'm probably going to fight several battles with some mates with the new rules, and show you the results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maion Maroneios View Post
    Do you know what I actually don't understand? Isn't it natural for the Sweboz to die like flies when their soldiers are unarmoured? That's just the nature of their military, I don't really understand why you guys are so obsessed with bringing everyone down to the same level. If you want a "fair" fight with the Sweboz, just make sure you fight a battle in woods or something. Ambushes, anyone? The purpose of this Tournament, as far as I've understood, is just to put all factions together and determine the winner through some restrictions that are the same for all factions. By bringing everyone to the same level, you loose the point of the whole Tournament.

    Why give one chevron to factions that have cheap armies? Why give weapon upgrades to factions that have unarmoured troops? And you know who gets the short end of the stick in the end, don't you? I personally don't really care wether I get my arse handed to me (which is most probably going to be the case if I face a chevroned and weapon upgraded army while having less money to spend if the cap is reduced to 35,000), but for Christs' sake try to keep things a bit realistic here. Rules like restricting elites, heavy cavalry and the like is good, I applaud that. Also, don't anyone mention the phalanx exploit because everyone with a considerable amount of sanity knows this is simply a cheat and it's banning is rational to say the least.

    Do you want a solution from me? Implement the defender-chooses-his-battleground system. Because I know simply shouting the rule system is wrong is not right and won't get anywere. The only thing I ask you to do, at least, is to simply consider my points and aknowledge that what you're doing is bringing all factions down to the same level. Every faction has its own weaknesses and strong points, that's just the way things are no matter what you want to believe. The Romans didn't beat the Macedonians because they had better quality armies per se (which they did, by the way), but because they were more prepared, has must greater resources and the determination to keep coming back.

    But if you still refuse to listen to me and take those fingers out of your ears, I guess there is no other option left that to actually let you see what is going to happen practically if those rules are implemented. And I want to see if you're going to have the guts to admit you were wrong then, because I'm almost certain our victory percentages are going to fall at least above 40%. Just to show you, I'm probably going to fight several battles with some mates with the new rules, and show you the results.

    Maion
    If they did die like flies then they wouldn't be that much feared by the Celts and Romans now would they?

    And Anti is playing a Hellenic faction himself so he knows very well whats he's doing.

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    If they did die like flies then they wouldn't be that much feared by the Celts and Romans now would they?

    And Anti is playing a Hellenic faction himself so he knows very well whats he's doing.
    Did anyone fight them with an abudant number of javelineers and/or archers on a flat, non-forested terrain in any fight? I believe the fear was due to their ambushes, were they excell.

    ASM doesn't play all factions, so he can't have a spherical oppinion on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maion Maroneios View Post
    Do you know what I actually don't understand? Isn't it natural for the Sweboz to die like flies when their soldiers are unarmoured? That's just the nature of their military, I don't really understand why you guys are so obsessed with bringing everyone down to the same level. If you want a "fair" fight with the Sweboz, just make sure you fight a battle in woods or something. Ambushes, anyone? The purpose of this Tournament, as far as I've understood, is just to put all factions together and determine the winner through some restrictions that are the same for all factions. By bringing everyone to the same level, you loose the point of the whole Tournament.

    Why give one chevron to factions that have cheap armies? Why give weapon upgrades to factions that have unarmoured troops? And you know who gets the short end of the stick in the end, don't you? I personally don't really care wether I get my arse handed to me (which is most probably going to be the case if I face a chevroned and weapon upgraded army while having less money to spend if the cap is reduced to 35,000), but for Christs' sake try to keep things a bit realistic here. Rules like restricting elites, heavy cavalry and the like is good, I applaud that. Also, don't anyone mention the phalanx exploit because everyone with a considerable amount of sanity knows this is simply a cheat and it's banning is rational to say the least.

    Do you want a solution from me? Implement the defender-chooses-his-battleground system. Because I know simply shouting the rule system is wrong is not right and won't get anywere. The only thing I ask you to do, at least, is to simply consider my points and aknowledge that what you're doing is bringing all factions down to the same level. Every faction has its own weaknesses and strong points, that's just the way things are no matter what you want to believe. The Romans didn't beat the Macedonians because they had better quality armies per se (which they did, by the way), but because they were more prepared, has must greater resources and the determination to keep coming back.

    But if you still refuse to listen to me and take those fingers out of your ears, I guess there is no other option left that to actually let you see what is going to happen practically if those rules are implemented. And I want to see if you're going to have the guts to admit you were wrong then, because I'm almost certain our victory percentages are going to fall at least above 40%. Just to show you, I'm probably going to fight several battles with some mates with the new rules, and show you the results.

    Maion
    I agree with the first part. The purpose of this tournament was to show the differences of the factions' military weak and strong points.
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    Default Re: Official EB Tournement Thread

    Argumentation that barbarians should die like flies would be indeed reasonable - but only if other historical condition is also met - that barbarians are present by sheer numbers on battlefield.
    Since it is simply not possible in EB, and actually this is hellens who dominate also numerically - thanks to their big phalanx units - then favoring barbarians in some way is rather out of question.

    My thinking now is to keep 40 000 budget - that way barbarians can spend not only for additional elites but also more units can get 1 chevron.


    I like most of these rules, but not all. My biggest complain is the way to determine elite(/heavy) when descriptions do not help. But not only.

    So for example:

    1) Praetorian Cavalry - is it Medium or Heavy?
    They throw javelins and skirmish, so apparently they are Medium, according to these rules.
    But since Romans are cheap and can afford 1 chevron for most units, then upgraded Praetorian Cav reaches truly elite level in Cav vs Cav battles. They are beaten only by strong elites after long time defence, and can inflict serious damage when charging.
    So if they are Medium - I dont like the idea. It means Roman can field up to 5 "medium" but indeed pumped by chevron to heavy/elite units, and still can recruit 6 foot elites.

    So maybe cavalry/elephants should not be upgraded.

    2) How to determine elite archer/slinger when description do not help?
    Or - do we count archers/slingers at all as elites?

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    Maybe this rule could be helpful for victory conditions:
    - when there is 2 game crashes or disconnetions by the same player during a battle, the winner is his opponent.

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