Neda...

[Subotan]

American Documentary about Neda to be shown in Iran on the eve of the Anniversary of the election

The Documentary can be seen HERE (Obviously, it's graphic in places

EDIT: But very, very, very good.)

[Lemur]

Yup, looks like HBO's giving this one away.

[Fragony]

So powerful, going to haunt me for while.

Ugilness vs Beauty 1 - 0

good find Subotan

[Louis VI the Fat]

Excllent, and thanks for the link.


PBS last year made a rather good documentary about Neda too:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...intehran/view/


One year onwards, it is still not available to foreign viewers. YouTube does have it, it is available via torrents too. ('Frontine. A Death in Tehran')
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mV1DQBM1whc

[Louis VI the Fat]

A remarkable series of interviews with former members of the Iran's Revolutionary Guard today offer a rare insight into one of the world's most oppressive regimes.


The four men, who have fled Iran and are in hiding in Turkey and Thailand, speak out in a documentary produced by Guardian Films and the Bureau of Investigative Journalism.
In testimony provided by the men, at least one of whom was part of last year's crackdown on opposition to the Iranian regime, the film reveals:


• Deep divisions within the Revolutionary Guard, the powerful military organisation at the heart of the Iranian state, which have widened since last year's repression of the so-called green opposition.


• Firsthand accounts of the measures taken to crush the popular protests that erupted in the wake of last June's presidential elections. The men interviewed describe the widespread use of rape and torture by the regime.


• A ruling elite so unsettled by the uprising that it had a plane on standby ready to fly the president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and the supreme leader, Ayatollah Khamenei, to Syria at a moment's notice.


One former guard interviewed for the film says that until he fled the country earlier this year, he was part of the security team surrounding Khamenei. "I want people outside to know what is happening and what this regime is doing to them," says Muhammed Hussein Torkaman. He accuses the regime of betraying the values of the 1979 revolution in an effort to keep a grip on power.


Another former guard accuses the government of filling the ranks of the guards with young men from the countryside willing to carry out brutal assaults which more senior officers would not countenance. "The majority of these recruits ... have no idea of right or wrong," he says. The regime "hands them weapons and these young people come into the streets and commit acts of murder".
Iran's opposition leaders have called off rallies to mark the anniversary of last year's presidential election, in which Ahmadinejad controversially claimed victory. The decision is being seen as a setback for the pro-democracy movement.

Link. A fine insight into how opression operates.

Semi-literate conservative hicks from the countryside, used by a regime to beat up the educated urban middle class - now that's not really a first.


Not a first either, is the widespread use of rape as a means of opression. A direct, physical symbol and instrument of oppression. At once the means and (psychological) ends of subjugation.

[Fragony]

Nice ain't it, a shame we only have the time to be outraged at one country at a time. Iran is definatily on my persons I don't like list, UNhjumenritescummizionslolz

new footage by the way absolutely graphic and positively heartbreaking https://www.youtube.com/verify_contr...%3D2mZlSkAuHnY

[Subotan]

Link. A fine insight into how opression operates.

Semi-literate conservative hicks from the countryside, used by a regime to beat up the educated urban middle class - now that's not really a first.


Not a first either, is the widespread use of rape as a means of opression. A direct, physical symbol and instrument of oppression. At once the means and (psychological) ends of subjugation.

The video is really good, and it's interesting that the regime had to bus in thugs from other countries to control the protests

Nice ain't it, a shame we only have the time to be outraged at one country at a time. Iran is definatily on my persons I don't like list, UNhjumenritescummizionslolz

When they are on the very short list of people both Fragony and Subotan dislike, there's definitely some justification.

new footage by the way absolutely graphic and positively heartbreaking https://www.youtube.com/verify_contr...%3D2mZlSkAuHnY

Absolutely awful. Going off tangent for a second, as TGA is a raging Europhile, you'll probably disagree with him on the majority of issues (Whilst I adore his work), but it's hard to disagree with this: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...ctions-nuclear

Iran will never again be the country it was before the election of 12 June 2009. In the great demonstration three days later, one of the largest in recorded history, everything was changed, changed utterly. In the subsequent repression, a terrible beauty was born. The historical process may take years, but one day, as the economy worsens and discontent spreads to more sections of society, the movement will be back in force, though perhaps in a different form. Eventually, in Iran there will be statues of Neda Agha-Sultan, the young woman shot in one of the early mass demonstrations, and memorials to the martyrs of this struggle for freedom, as there are now memorials to the martyrs of the Iran-Iraq war.

[Fragony]

This is much bigger than people give it credit for, this could be the end of the vicious political islam. It's started there (well Egypt really) and there it CAN end. If these savages get turned over by the people they pretend to represent it could change everything

I miss AdrianII here for some Gilles Keppel fanboyism but the islamic world is so terribly in shambles, losing not winning; it's dying in a modern age.

Iran is screwed, they can't win this, they started torturing the kids of their own party-members

[Subotan]

Saudi Arabia will have to bite the dust as well though for that to happen, which may come sooner than we think, given that their public official estimates for the amount of oil under their feet have remained exactly the same for about a decade. The UAE collapsing would also be nice (Since the Taliban get more funds from overseas donations than from poppy farming)

[Fragony]

that's a good thing no? yay for us

[Subotan]

The sooner the better really.

[Beskar]

Link. A fine insight into how opression operates.

Semi-literate conservative hicks from the countryside, used by a regime to beat up the educated urban middle class - now that's not really a first.

Why did I, for whatever reason, just associate your comment with republican terrority, USA? Was that intentional on your part, or just an association I made?

[Louis VI the Fat]

Why did I, for whatever reason, just associate your comment with republican terrority, USA? Was that intentional on your part, or just an association I made?

'Hicks' for my want of a better word. I was thinking more of the Romanian tradition of bussing around hordes of miners to beat up protests with pickaxes and shovels, both before and after 1989.

Or drunk metal wokers elsewhere, who get provided with a few botlles of vodka and steel pipes. The Zulu hordes in South Africa in the mid-nineties. The drugged child soldiers in so many African countries.

It is a tried and tested tactic. All societies have a ready reservoir of some horde of agressive, semi-literate men, ready to be unleashed like a band of orcs by some clever Saruman.

[Fragony]

Absolute balls and mostly boobs of steel, republican guard has been hauled in and yet thousands are on the streets. This is bigger than the fall of the wall, if they succeed it will be the death of islamism and we can finally start treating eachother as human beings, the enlightment of islam is happening right now and it's happening in Teheran.

allho akbar

[Subotan]

[Fragony]

Small protests, not so small from what I've heard of but what can you be sure of in mullah-land. They should understand that there is no greater force than people desiring individual freedom, these bearded pricks can't win the die has been cast. If it isn't now it's soon, this is not going to end unlesss these bearded pricks kill everyone, good luck doing that.

[Hax]

This is bigger than the fall of the wall, if they succeed it will be the death of islamism and we can finally start treating eachother as human beings, the enlightment of islam is happening right now and it's happening in Teheran.

Fragony, at moments such as these, I truly admire and respect you , and I could not agree more.

[Subotan]

Small protests, not so small from what I've heard of but what can you be sure of in mullah-land. They should understand that there is no greater force than people desiring individual freedom, these bearded pricks can't win the die has been cast. If it isn't now it's soon, this is not going to end unlesss these bearded pricks kill everyone, good luck doing that.

I'm racking up a huge amount of combos here. This must be the longest chain of posts you've ever made where I've agreed with every single one of them.

Fragony, at moments such as these, I truly admire and respect you , and I could not agree more.

[Fragony]

Fragony, at moments such as these, I truly admire and respect you , and I could not agree more.

Thx Hax

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Thx Hax

I wouldn't go so far as to label it bigger than "The Wall," but it is very important and I find myself in agreement with Frags as well.

[Beskar]

I wonder, if a random Iranian sniper assassinated the head of the country, would the protestors cheer or be angry against the sniper?

[PanzerJaeger]

Small protests, not so small from what I've heard of but what can you be sure of in mullah-land. They should understand that there is no greater force than people desiring individual freedom, these bearded pricks can't win the die has been cast. If it isn't now it's soon, this is not going to end unlesss these bearded pricks kill everyone, good luck doing that.

I wish I could agree, but I believe instinctual self preservation far outweighs the desire for freedom for the vast majority of people. Neda wasn't the symbol for a revolt, she was the best argument against it. Once the government started using live ammunition, once the people saw poor girls like her dying on the street, the green revolution fell apart. As long as the mullahs control the weapons, they will be able to maintain their grip on power. That's why many Americans are so adamant about our gun rights.

We need to be funneling weapons and support to anti-government forces. Hell, it's the least we can do to return the favor they've been doing for us in Iraq and Afghanistan for years.

[Fragony]

They can be arrested at any time, in prison they will be tortured and raped male or female, this is one sick regime. Yet these people are still fighting, I think I would have accepted for being opressed by now, I think I would be a coward. These people aren't scared of anything, and they have so much to lose. Who's going to stop them if such sadistic barbarism can't scare them of? The real islamic revolution is on it's way, this is going to end exactly where it started, and no Islamist will have any legitimacy when condemning us in the west anymore.

[Tuuvi]

We need to be funneling weapons and support to anti-government forces. Hell, it's the least we can do to return the favor they've been doing for us in Iraq and Afghanistan for years.

I'm not well versed in modern history but it seems to me that violent revolutions in our time just don't have the same success rate as they did in the 1700's.I think a Ghandi style revolution in Iran would be preferable and much more successful in the long run than a violent one.

[Subotan]

We need to be funneling weapons and support to anti-government forces. Hell, it's the least we can do to return the favor they've been doing for us in Iraq and Afghanistan for years.

The Iranian government derives a lot of it's legitimacy from anti-American nationalism, and the ability to stand up to a West plotting to hurt the Iranian people. Funneling weapons to the Green movement will neither advance the goals of the Green movement nor weaken the Iranian Government's propaganda.

[Fragony]

I'm not well versed in modern history but it seems to me that violent revolutions in our time just don't have the same success rate as they did in the 1700's.I think a Ghandi style revolution in Iran would be preferable and much more successful in the long run than a violent one.

Agreed, peaceful protest is the way to go. Let these bearded jerks act like the vicious dogs that they are raping and torturing is all they understand, more innocent people will have to be raped and tortured before this is over, c'est ca. Pretty frustrating but they are on their own, my initial sentiment is invade the and do harm to them personallybut that isn't very productive in the long run. There comes a point when even for the violent the violence becomes unbearable, they will have to keep killing their own, these people already lost. They know that they have a plane fueled and ready 24/7, it should be able to haul beard and take of to Syria in 20 minutes at all times.

[Hax]

but that isn't very productive in the long run.

This is what it's all about, and it's exactly why I agree with Fragony in the first case.

[Fragony]

Isn't going to work if nobody writes about it, where the hell is the so-called quality journalism, too busy hiding with a telelens in some Israeli bush waiting for a jew to fart I guess. These hypocrites, whorenalists.


A bit crass, this. Doesn't break any rules but isn't the best use of "The King's," so everyone try to spin up the quality level, okay?

[Subotan]

Is that Western journalists, Frag?

[Fragony]

Is that Western journalists, Frag?

Yes absolutely, showed the docu you posted to a friend of mine, he was in absolute shock he had no idea that this was going on, never even heard of poor little Neda. He's no idiot, nobody told him. Neda means voice no? Kinda pointless in a vaccuum.