Hoplitai too weak ?

[Cute Wolf]

From reading all the previous posts I diagnose that most of the "Hoplite complainers" are using "the -4 attack to spear units 'fix' that's not a fix anyway", since that 'fix' are greatly made hoplites suffer... just revert back to default EB 1.2 EDU values and i guarantee that you'll be statisfied with your hoplites...

And about Spartans, I personally mod them in my game to have 2 Hp, 5095 cost, 873 upkeep, and 2 turns training... no wonder, they become the strongest units in the game... but that's because I love my Spartans... not because historical corectness...

[Constantius III]

And about Spartans, I personally mod them in my game to have 2 Hp, 5095 cost, 873 upkeep, and 2 turns training... no wonder, they become the strongest units in the game... but that's because I love my Spartans... not because historical corectness...

I'm sure Akrotatos and his Spartan bodyguards could have used you when he died in a fruitless assault on Megalopolis in, you know, real history.

[Cute Wolf]

I'm sure Akrotatos and his Spartan bodyguards could have used you when he died in a fruitless assault on Megalopolis in, you know, real history.

If I was there, I'll gladlyy made Akrotatos a prototype cannons and gunpowders when they asked... (just mix saltpeter with coal dusts and some sulphur...) and I was sure that Spartan hoplite will be armed with personal gatling guns!

Heheheh... that's because I was used to play Vanilla that praise Spartans in really high place... actually, when playing as GCS in vanilla long - long time ago, I remove the and hidden resources sparta... and my wholesale armies are those 2 Hp spartans in reds...!!!! This is Sparta...

But even in my modded EB, I could defeat those Spartans monsters with Agrianai Pelekephoroi...

[Maion Maroneios]

And about Spartans, I personally mod them in my game to have 2 Hp,

OK, that's something I would personally never do for example. This is grand cheating at it's top.

Maion

[Cute Wolf]

OK, that's something I would personally never do for example. This is grand cheating at it's top.

Maion

At least I also fight them when I play as Makedon... Naturally, my Hetairoi wouldn't kill those spartans in some charges from the back, or Argyraspidai skewer them with just taking minimal casualities... now they killed each other better and won by a close margin... that's the spirit...

That's cheating when you turn them to 1 hp when play against them

[Maion Maroneios]

I believe you fail to understand that 30+ armour, excellent morale, immense stamina and 2HP on top of that makes them virtually unstoppable. Also, your mind seems to still be floating in the times of the 5th century BC, then the Agoge was much harsher than it was 2 centuries later. Spartans were over their golden age, get over it.

Maion

[Cute Wolf]

I believe you fail to understand that 30+ armour, excellent morale, immense stamina and 2HP on top of that makes them virtually unstoppable. Also, your mind seems to still be floating in the times of the 5th century BC, then the Agoge was much harsher than it was 2 centuries later. Spartans were over their golden age, get over it.

Maion

They are not unstoppable, they just made as a really tough guys... and I roleplay, what if the agoge system has been beefed up again...

Just try to grind the 2 Hp spartans with 2 units Agrianai Axemen and you'll see that Agrianai still wins...
When u know the right timing... and sandwich them

[Maion Maroneios]

Still, it's something I'd personally never do.

Maion