Hoplitai too weak ?

[Maion Maroneios]

Aspis was a thick layer of poplar wood with a layer of bronze on it, if anything it certainly is the thickest shield, scutum has one holder for your hand which would mean that it shouldn't be too heavy.

Also a Falx was able to penetrate deeply into a Scutum while against an Aspis it definately would have an harder time.

A Pilum penetrating a Aspis is just wishfull fantasy, Scutum wouldn't be able to survive the pushing in the Phalanx as well as an Aspis as well.

5 mm? Maybe that one from Deadliest Warrior or 300 but the real deal definately wasn't that thin.

As much as I'd like to believe either you or Watchman, I've learned to rely on proof. If someone can find some sources on how exactly a scutum and an aspis was made (as well as an average pilum), we could make some comparisons and hopefully derive some results.

And just for the sake of being reasonable, try to back your statements up Phalanx. At least Watchman presents something to back up his statements. I'm not taking enyone's side here, but I prefer someone who actually speculates based on something instead of pure personal unbased oppinion.

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