Hoplitai too weak ?

[ARCHIPPOS]

abt the formation being screwed up...
is it so important though to make contact from one side of the line to the other simulteniously??? i mean the important thing was having a continuous battleline shoulder to shoulder not a parade-like straight formation... they lost some cohesion sure and even some stamina but on the other hand they gained some momentum,no???

anyway i'm just making logical assumptions here , i'm no expert...

[Phalanx300]

abt the formation being screwed up...
is it so important though to make contact from one side of the line to the other simulteniously??? i mean the important thing was having a continuous battleline shoulder to shoulder not a parade-like straight formation... they lost some cohesion sure and even some stamina but on the other hand they gained some momentum,no???

anyway i'm just making logical assumptions here , i'm no expert...

In Hoplite warfare when you have good cohesion it will help in the Phalanx warfare, running for a while with all your men makes you lose some cohesion.

And I never think of an Hoplite line as straight, well yes initially but afterwards I'd like to see it as the waves on a roch, bending and changing shape to paths of less resistance. Something like that.

Oh yeah, him. Ignore that nonsense.

And ignore his crap while you're at it.

[Parallel Pain]

Then please show me who in this tread posted sources? No one did, every one here has thus far just posted his opinion and records and experiences.

If you had bothered to read it:

Now you're just talking out of your arse, mate. Go read.

And many well sourced wiki articles. On top of that some indirect sourcing of ancient authors (book #, etc).

And ignore his crap while you're at it.

His crap is supported by scholarship and historians and at least a well sourced wiki article.

When the Athenian line was ready, according to one source, the simple signal to advance was given by Miltiades: "At them".[45] Herodotus implies the Athenians ran the whole distance to the Persian lines, shouting their ululating war cry, "Ελελευ! Ελελευ!" ("Eleleu! Eleleu!").[72] It is doubtful that the Athenians ran the whole distance; in full armour this would be very difficult.[78] More likely, they marched until they reached the limit of the archers' effectiveness, the "beaten zone", (roughly 200 meters), and then broke into a run towards their enemy.[78] Herodotus suggests that this was the first time a Greek army ran into battle in this way; this was probably because it was the first time that a Greek army had faced an enemy composed primarily of missile troops.[78]

[A Very Super Market]

I haven't read the whole thread yet, I must say that you're likely missing the point.

[Parallel Pain]

I have

[Phalanx300]

If you had bothered to read it:

And many well sourced wiki articles. On top of that some indirect sourcing of ancient authors (book #, etc).

I see, when he post something supported he's right, when I do it I'm just being ignorant?

His crap is supported by scholarship and historians and at least a well sourced wiki article.

My crap as well. Do you really think I just make everything up on what I said at Hoplites?

[Parallel Pain]

I see, when he post something supported he's right, when I do it I'm just being ignorant?

Do you really think I just make everything up on what I said at Hoplites?

I do actually. And I will continue to think so until you post those sources.