The U.S. Health Care Debate

**Beskar** · 09-24-2009, 02:14

Originally Posted by jabarto

Just another reminder why, for sanity's sake, I shouldn't be reading YouTube Comments:

It is the American way indeed.

Though, I think Jesus would like to have a few words to any moron who repeats stuff like that, he was the Lord of Hand-outs and Socialism back in 24 A.D. Yes, that's right. Jesus was a socialist. He said for the Rich to give up their wealth and give it to the poor, bring equality and love your neighbour. Some how, all these Christians seem to forget this.

**Evil_Maniac From Mars** · 09-24-2009, 02:28

Originally Posted by Beskar

Yes, that's right. Jesus was a socialist. He said for the Rich to give up their wealth and give it to the poor, bring equality and love your neighbour. Some how, all these Christians seem to forget this.

Wrong.

Jesus was not a socialist, because he wanted people to do this voluntarily.
On average, the right gives more to charity than the left, and in America this is by quite a significant amount.
Essentially, Jesus said that if you help people out, you will be rewarded. He didn't say that the government should help everyone out for you.

Somehow, socialists seem to forget this.

**Beskar** · 09-24-2009, 02:54

Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars

Essentially, Jesus said that if you help people out, you will be rewarded. He didn't say that the government should help everyone out for you.

Ever heard about the Rich man, Camel and Eye of the Needle?

Give it away, get rewarded and go to Heaven. Don't and say hello to down below. Choice is an illusion.

**Evil_Maniac From Mars** · 09-24-2009, 02:58

Originally Posted by Beskar

Ever heard about the Rich man, Camel and Eye of the Needle?

Give it away, get rewarded and go to Heaven. Don't and say hello to down below. Choice is an illusion.

I'm going to go with a solid "no" again.

**Banquo's Ghost** · 09-24-2009, 07:59

I fear the "Jesus - Poster Boy for Socialism or Aristocratic Paternalism, We Haz It?" tangent may divert us rather speedily from the complexities of the U.S. Health Care Debate.

**Beskar** · 09-24-2009, 17:44

Originally Posted by Banquo's Ghost

I fear the "Jesus - Poster Boy for Socialism or Aristocratic Paternalism, We Haz It?" tangent may divert us rather speedily from the complexities of the U.S. Health Care Debate.

True, but you forget, Jesus gave a free health care service to everyone who was with him.

So Jesus was was a proponent of Universal Healthcare.

**LittleGrizzly** · 09-24-2009, 17:59

On average, the right gives more to charity than the left, and in America this is by quite a significant amount.

Isn't quite alot of this money directed in political ways ? or is that discounted...

I would hardly call giving Israel money charity (or at least no more than giving Hamas money is charity)

Same goes for the opposing camps in the abortion war...

Is this money adjusted for different wealth between countries ? (obviously if you have more you can give more)

Amount of millionaires and billionaires ? (they can give away half thier money possibly without having an effect on thier lifestyle, the average man cannot)

Population adjusted also ?

Also im sure alot of religious donations go towards keeping churches going and recruiting new members...

Theres alot of charity with selfish motivation behind in, with America's paticularly hostile debates on some issues its high levels of religious belief and religious fervour (the televangelicals spring to mind) and its closeness to Israel could add up to a decent share of its contributions..

**Strike For The South** · 09-24-2009, 18:06

Originally Posted by Beskar

It is the American way indeed.

Though, I think Jesus would like to have a few words to any moron who repeats stuff like that, he was the Lord of Hand-outs and Socialism back in 24 A.D. Yes, that's right. Jesus was a socialist. He said for the Rich to give up their wealth and give it to the poor, bring equality and love your neighbour. Some how, all these Christians seem to forget this. .

Jesus has nothing to do with this. The people who most vhemently oppose reform are not doing so becuase of Christian beliefs. I can't count how many times my church help pay bills for massive medical procedures for members of my church.

Saying Jesus was a socialist and then making some glib point about how Americans are to dumb to realizes this only shows your ignorance.

**Beskar** · 09-24-2009, 19:01

Originally Posted by Strike For The South

Jesus has nothing to do with this. The people who most vhemently oppose reform are not doing so becuase of Christian beliefs. I can't count how many times my church help pay bills for massive medical procedures for members of my church.

Saying Jesus was a socialist and then making some glib point about how Americans are to dumb to realizes this only shows your ignorance.

I was quoting this:

Wake up people. A public health system is unamerican & any government regulation denies the function of the market. I know people will say the arbitrary & exorbitant costs of health care is the largest cause of personal bankruptcy & that those costs are indeed making the insurance companies huge profits while "black-mailing" the common folk with their health & lives but the market will have it's say. There might be some collateral victims who can't afford it but that's just what we have to accept. They're the weaker ones anyway right. Survival of the fittest, etc.
This is a Christian nation & the answer isn't hand-outs for those people you aren't responsible enough to afford health insurance but prayer. I don't want to have to hold the less fortunates' heads above water. I'm looking after myself & my family only. That's the American way.

Those churches who do indeed help others, are going the right way about it. That was my comment, not ignorance. You have to put it in context, because moving it out of context doesn't look right.