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    What fatherland?
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    Fatherland is Germany.
    the Germans were not experienced in that area. the Panzer Corps that was sent there were most of the veterans of Normandy. the Paratroopers too (the americans)
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    Arnhem, Eindhoven, and Nijmegen are in the Netherlands. The map you posted clearly labels it as so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A Very Super Market View Post
    Arnhem, Eindhoven, and Nijmegen are in the Netherlands. The map you posted clearly labels it as so.
    Montgomery's strategic objective was to cross the Rhine at Arnhem and then use the bridgehead generated to punch into the Ruhr valley, which is most definitely (and at the time economically very important to) Der Vaterland.


    Vertical envelopment is a fine concept, but using mass parachutings to accomplish it was and is a poor choice. Your troops land disorganized and very often far from where they were intended, their equippage is light, and they can barely muddle through to objectives if at all until after hours/days of re-organizing. Most of the paradrops prior to Market were not wholly successful. They did enhance the "confusion" factor, but that's about it.

    The troops themselves were superb. Given a few days to get things together and they worked wonders with what little they had.
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    Agreeing with Seamus's Post;

    The Allies also weren't aware of the actual size and strength of the Dutch SS, and Regular Wermacht operating in the area, which was much larger than anticipated, and hadn't expected much in the way of heavy armor, from their intelligence reports.

    Instead they dropped "light" expecting similar results as they had during Overlord, what a terrible surprise for the British 1st, not only had they dropped their supplies right into the German's hands, but most of it would have been relatively useless against the Brunt of Army Force B, that they managed to hold out for so long against such overwhelming odds was a testament to their training, skill, and courage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wakizashi View Post
    The Allies also weren't aware of the actual size and strength of the Dutch SS, and Regular Wermacht operating in the area, which was much larger than anticipated, and hadn't expected much in the way of heavy armor, from their intelligence reports.
    It's not entirely correct to say the Allies weren't aware, as there was intelligence and aerial reconnaissance that indicated the presence of SS heavy armour. However, it seems the operation's commanders were in denial about the risks, as they waved away the reports and the dangers posed by it. The only officer that tried to make them see the risk was packed of on medical leave.

    Of course, this was just one of several major blunders in the planning of the operation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ludens View Post
    It's not entirely correct to say the Allies weren't aware, as there was intelligence and aerial reconnaissance that indicated the presence of SS heavy armour. However, it seems the operation's commanders were in denial about the risks, as they waved away the reports and the dangers posed by it. The only officer that tried to make them see the risk was packed of on medical leave.

    Of course, this was just one of several major blunders in the planning of the operation.
    the Allies did knew there was heavy resistance only in Arnhem, not in Njigmen, and Eindhoven. so they sent XXX Corps to engage with the heavy Resisstance. But the XXX corps came late and the operation failed.
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