What animals are ours to kill, and eat, and skin... etc

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

thus is the opinion of the uninformed.

If you have an insight to share, then do so.

[Hooahguy]

what the rabbi said in the article was true. Jewish law demands that the butcher use a very charp knife, and make ONE swift cut ona certain part of the neck that immediatly kills the animal. if you want proof, visit your local jewish slaughterhouse. trust me, when i visited a few months ago, its actually pretty interesting.

or read up in the Talmud, which goes into detail about this FOR THE EVERY REASON that the animal feels no pain. G-d knows best, right?

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

what the rabbi said in the article was true. Jewish law demands that the butcher use a very charp knife, and make ONE swift cut ona certain part of the neck that immediatly kills the animal. if you want proof, visit your local jewish slaughterhouse. trust me, when i visited a few months ago, its actually pretty interesting.

or read up in the Talmud, which goes into detail about this FOR THE EVERY REASON that the animal feels no pain. G-d knows best, right?

I don't believe what the Rabbi said, simply because personal experience doesn't bear it out, and because it has been fairly well proved that even if you remove the head the animal/man can remain concious for several minutes. The appearence of unconciousness is usually caused by going into shock.

as to the Talmud, it's just words on the page, wasn't written by God, or any of his prophets (certainly not Leviticus) and is replete with errors and anachronisms.

[Hooahguy]

well, if you refuse to believe, then go on, believe your own fallacies.

and the thing about the talmud, G-d told us to listen to the Rabbis, soooooo......
equation:
g-d tells us to listen to the rabbis ---> rabbis write the Talmud which is in depth commentary on the Mishnah, which details laws which are in the Torah---> we listen to the Rabbis and the Talmud.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

well, if you refuse to believe, then go on, believe your own fallacies.

and the thing about the talmud, G-d told us to listen to the Rabbis, soooooo......
equation:
g-d tells us to listen to the rabbis ---> rabbis write the Talmud which is in depth commentary on the Mishnah, which details laws which are in the Torah---> we listen to the Rabbis and the Talmud.

OR

Rabbis write that you have to listen to Rabbis, God not directly involved.

As I say, when the heart stops the human brain remains alive for four minutes, I see no reason to believe that is significantly different in Mammals, and given that they have done things like transplant extra brains into Dogs all the evidence points that way.

Against that you have a book written in an alphabet that wasn't even concieved when most of the events it purrports to relate took place.

We aren't going to aggree on this, but don't casually tell me just cutting their throat is so humane without any actual evidence.

[Hooahguy]

Against that you have a book written in an alphabet that wasn't even concieved when most of the events it purrports to relate took place.

please, do even a LITTLE bit of research.
the Carlos Museum, located at Emory University, has a great exhibit on bible hebrew, plus has artifacts that proves that ancient hebrew was based off Polynesian languages. i suggest you travel to Atlanta to check it out.
but lets not digress.

We aren't going to aggree on this, but don't casually tell me just cutting their throat is so humane without any actual evidence.

i dont know, when that cow was slaughtered he looked pretty dead within 5 seconds, but ok, think what you want.
this is like debating for Israel: hitting up against a concrete wall.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

please, do even a LITTLE bit of research.
the Carlos Museum, located at Emory University, has a great exhibit on bible hebrew, plus has artifacts that proves that ancient hebrew was based off Polynesian languages. i suggest you travel to Atlanta to check it out.
but lets not digress.

I think you mean Phonecian, Hebrew as a written language is only around 3,000 (1000 BC) years old (greek 2,800-600), the events of Exodus and the end of Genesis are dated around 2000-1400 BC. So the "historical" events are recorded in an alphabet that is at best 400 years younger than the events it records. That's old as good as the Iliad, which even at it's most optimistic is not considered to be a "history" but rather a legendary account.

Edit: Oh, and irrc, most copies of even the early books are written in the Aramaic script, which puts them to about 600 BC (after the Exile).

Edit 2: Hmmm, a little further digging seems to suggest there are apparently older copies. Oh well.

i dont know, when that cow was slaughtered he looked pretty dead within 5 seconds, but ok, think what you want.
this is like debating for Israel: hitting up against a concrete wall.

Oh, I grant, looks dead, and will be so but that doesn't mean it doesn't have another three minutes to go.

[Hax]

that ancient hebrew was based off Polynesian languages

Well, that sounds pretty -- wait, what?

g-d tells us to listen to the rabbis ---> rabbis write the Talmud which is in depth commentary on the Mishnah, which details laws which are in the Torah---> we listen to the Rabbis and the Talmud.

That's circular logic, and is not a good way to discuss subjects. It's saying the Torah is right because it says it's right.

[miotas]

the Carlos Museum, located at Emory University, has a great exhibit on bible hebrew, plus has artifacts that proves that ancient hebrew was based off Polynesian languages. i suggest you travel to Atlanta to check it out.

Gah? Polynesian?