Xanthippos?

**Julius Augustus** · 06-29-2009, 03:30

Originally Posted by Valion

I actually already killed him, He faced off with my Golden Chevroned Trirarii and got owned hehehe Lol

Way to go Valion! You put those arrogant Greek barbarians in their place!

**satalexton** · 06-29-2009, 07:35

Maion, shud I lol at that statement?

**Maion Maroneios** · 06-29-2009, 08:43

Yeah, probably. Especially since this bloke doesn't even know the definition of "barbaros".

Such illiterality...*sigh*

Maion

**Cute Wolf** · 06-29-2009, 13:15

hey don't mad with xannthiphos.... just bribe him...

**Macilrille** · 06-29-2009, 13:48

Ehhh... it is the Romans that are "barbarian" to the Greeks, to the Romans the Greeks were (or became in the period 200 BC- 148 BC) a people admired for their cultural achievements, but viewed with contempt for their lack ot other achievements and constant internal squabbling and infighting in a world that the Romans percieved themselves as conquering and bringing order in. Romans contemptuously called the Greeks "Graeculi" "Little Greeks", so use that instead of "barbarian" if you want to insult the Greeks and Hellene Lovers. bararian is a Greek word and though most cultures around the world understand the concept (us = good, the others = bad), the Greeks refined and named it.

**Maion Maroneios** · 06-29-2009, 13:53

Originally Posted by Macilrille

Ehhh... it is the Romans that are "barbarian" to the Greeks, to the Romans the Greeks were (or became in the period 200 BC- 148 BC) a people admired for their cultural achievements, but viewed with contempt for their lack ot other achievements and constant internal squabbling and infighting in a world that the Romans percieved themselves as conquering and bringing order in. Romans contemptuously called the Greeks "Graeculi" "Little Greeks", so use that instead of "barbarian" if you want to insult the Greeks and Hellene Lovers. bararian is a Greek word and though most cultures around the world understand the concept (us = good, the others = bad), the Greeks refined and named it.

Yes. The word "barbaros" is GREEK and it means NON-GREEK. The usage we have of it today is completely different.

Maion

**Macilrille** · 06-29-2009, 13:59

Well, it seems it meant various things at various times. Wiki has an ok article on it.

The point is, just like it is a bit silly to quote cato but change Carthage to Rome, thus showing Roman dominace of our thoughts, it is equally silly to call Greeks barbarians...

**Knight of Heaven** · 06-29-2009, 13:56

i belive the only people who arent barbaroi are the celts. THey were far more civilaized.

They evented soup for god sake, what we do without soup?

Romans and greeks they smell, very bad.
Apart the hair stlyles of the celts are way more cool

**Macilrille** · 06-29-2009, 14:02

Originally Posted by Knight of Heaven

i belive the only people who arent barbaroi are the celts. THey were far more civilaized.

They evented soup for god sake, what we do without soup?

Romans and greeks they smell, very bad.
Apart the hair stlyles of the celts are way more cool

Yes soup is a staple of our diet, and it can be delicious as well ;-)

Sorry could not help that.

Whatever you think the Greco-(Roman) term is the original one, you cannot invent a new usage of the word. You can say that you find Celts more amenable and such, but to call them more civilised and the only non-barbarians goes against the usage of the word. It is like deciding to call round square instead.

**Maion Maroneios** · 06-29-2009, 14:05

Originally Posted by Knight of Heaven

i belive the only people who arent barbaroi are the celts. THey were far more civilaized.

They evented soup for god sake, what we do without soup?

Romans and greeks they smell, very bad.
Apart the hair stlyles of the celts are way more cool

Dude, can't you read? The word BARBAROS means NON-GREEK. It's usage was not the same as we use today (smelly, unsicilized, etc).

And don't give me the Keltoi shit the rest of you Celt-lovers brag about. Fighting naked, sleeping with my fellow soldiers, and living in shacks and cottages isn't what I would call "civilized" my friend. Also, PLEASE don't give me the soap (not soup dude) shit all over again. If it was so effective, the Romaioi (who had a fetish for cleanliness) would have adopted the custom. You even know what a primitive form of soap looks like? Just a filthy-looking (and probably smelling as well) blob of fat and salts, that's ALL there is.

Also, I hate moustaches. What you say about hairstyles is purely subjective, doesn't have anything to do with someone being civilized or not. Not to mention that if you have ever done some reading in your life, you'd know that most houses had baths in them in Ancient Greece. They had scented oils and various perfumes (the scraping off oil was used by those who excersiced, NOT for personal hygiene) to make them smell much better than a soap-using Keltos. There were also many public baths in Ancient Greece, and plentiful of them. As for Rome, you all know how obsessed they were with personal hygiene.

Sheesh.

Maion