Occultus and the hidden Factions (Discussion)

Originally Posted by Cyclops

To understand you have to take the blue pill.

It contains Love Potion number 9.

anyways: you guys really need to stop fussing over what faction will be there (i.e: don't ask the dev forum members). all the dev team will do is tantalize you and tortue you with posibilities, and when they don't, they give political answers (i.e they answer nothing), so either way, they are tantalizing you.

just wait and see who guesses right. besides, I'm surprised at how imaginative some of your choices are; a complete disregard for game mechanics is most evident.

(seriously, the EB team isn't throwing some random faction in merely because it existed in 272 BC: they almost certainly consider historical importance, geography, and game balance, the EDU, DMB, province limits, and the team's manpower, to realize those factions. why do you all think they chose the numidians and pergamese for? any faction you fellows think is/should be in needs to take those factors into consideration. if you apply that logic to numidia and pergamon, you'll ind out on your own what will probably be in-though you'll never be 100% certain.)

I think the algorithmic complexity of this task:

Originally Posted by Ibrahim

(seriously, the EB team isn't throwing some random faction in merely because it existed in 272 BC: they almost certainly consider historical importance, geography, and game balance, the EDU, DMB, province limits, and the team's manpower, to realize those factions. why do you all think they chose the numidians and pergamese for? any faction you fellows think is/should be in needs to take those factors into consideration. if you apply that logic to numidia and pergamon, you'll ind out on your own what will probably be in-though you'll never be 100% certain.)

Is by far larger than just wait for EB 2 to be released. Especially if you want the Probability for your asnwers to amount to 1.

Originally Posted by Ibrahim

anyways: you guys really need to stop fussing over what faction will be there (i.e: don't ask the dev forum members). all the dev team will do is tantalize you and tortue you with posibilities, and when they don't, they give political answers (i.e they answer nothing), so either way, they are tantalizing you.

just wait and see who guesses right. besides, I'm surprised at how imaginative some of your choices are; a complete disregard for game mechanics is most evident.

(seriously, the EB team isn't throwing some random faction in merely because it existed in 272 BC: they almost certainly consider historical importance, geography, and game balance, the EDU, DMB, province limits, and the team's manpower, to realize those factions. why do you all think they chose the numidians and pergamese for? any faction you fellows think is/should be in needs to take those factors into consideration. if you apply that logic to numidia and pergamon, you'll ind out on your own what will probably be in-though you'll never be 100% certain.)

Well, this thread here is just a guess. It is here so people can guess possibilities. We probably won't get anything right but I just wanted to see other people's opinions.

Originally Posted by Alsatia

Well, this thread here is just a guess. It is here so people can guess possibilities. We probably won't get anything right but I just wanted to see other people's opinions.

true, but the point I was aiming at was simply that you can guess what you want, just don't make the silly mistake of asking or involving the dev forum, or taking it/them too seriously-they won't help, nor will they oblige with your (plural your) wishes regarding the identity of the factions. I put that in parenthesies y'know

besides, I like speculation on what factions there will be, just not the sillier moments regarding the identity of the factions-like when you guys see stuff in the occultus (what soapstone star?). it looks too much like I'm watching a HTWW video... or an example of excessive pareidolia.

@TA: why should it be 1? as long as p<1, then there is an element of surprise, and thus enjoyment when it comes.

Originally Posted by Ibrahim

@TA: why should it be 1? as long as p<1, then there is an element of surprise, and thus enjoyment when it comes.

I didn't say it should be 1, though. I said the algorithmic complexity of accurately predicting what factions will be in EB 2 without any solid fact as basis for assumptions is likely larger than just wait for it to come out.

And I can be sure of that statement if the probability for each of your predicted factions to be included must amount to 1, since that is equivalent to solving the halting problem (infinite complexity: solving each sub problem is as complex as solving the entire problem itself).

Originally Posted by Tellos Athenaios

I didn't say it should be 1, though. I said the algorithmic complexity of accurately predicting what factions will be in EB 2 without any solid fact as basis for assumptions is likely larger than just wait for it to come out.

And I can be sure of that statement if the probability for each of your predicted factions to be included must amount to 1, since that is equivalent to solving the halting problem (infinite complexity: solving each sub problem is as complex as solving the entire problem itself).

ah, I see.

wut? rules 1,2, and 34?

Rule 34 - If it exists [on the internet], then there is porn of it.

Amazingly, or shockingly depending, Rule 34 is often quite accurate.

Originally Posted by Ibrahim

(seriously, the EB team isn't throwing some random faction in merely because it existed in 272 BC: they almost certainly consider historical importance, geography, and game balance, the EDU, DMB, province limits, and the team's manpower, to realize those factions. why do you all think they chose the numidians and pergamese for? any faction you fellows think is/should be in needs to take those factors into consideration. if you apply that logic to numidia and pergamon, you'll ind out on your own what will probably be in-though you'll never be 100% certain.)

Then it must that the new factions already have at least one unit to represent them, or have a unit rooster for the biggest part already in.

Which means some factions are thus likely:

Belgae
Another Britain faction
Galatia
Bosporus
Syrakousai
Indian faction
Baltic faction
Lugii
Boii
Any Germanic faction, Bastarnae, Chatii, Cherusci etc.
Massilia

Still many options, with even more uncalled.