The History Channel: From Hitler to Freemasons

[Sheogorath]

Am I the only one who misses it when the History Channel had a WWII fetish? It seems now that every single program MUST mention, somewhere, Freemasonry, and its massive and ill-defined conspiracy. In fact, the only definite information they seem to give on the Freemasons is that all major US leaders are Freemasons, and that they're engaged in some kind of implied sinister conspiracy.

Exactly what this conspiracy is to accomplish, nobody seems to know. Even the 'Freemason Experts' they bring on. They just say "THERE IS A CONSPIRACY." They don't even bother to add "THEY WILL EAT OUR SOULS." It's just a CONSPIRACY for the sake of being a conspiracy. Religion figures into it somewhere too, although whether they're pagans, Protestant zealots or agnostics doesn't seem important. There's also some stuff about the constitution, but frankly I can't see how evil encouraging free thought is unless you're Louis XVI.

As far as I can figure out, it's something like this:

Knights Templar = Freemasons = US leadership

Therefore,

Jews and Catholics = Illuminati = Everybody else

So the secret alliance of Catholics and Jews known as the Illuminati battle the protestant (possibly) Freemasons. The History Channel unaccountably fails to mention this.


At least when they had a Hitler fetish we got to see cool videos of tanks shooting things. Now all we get is people in wigs sitting around tables in smokey rooms and OHMIGODWASHINGTONDCISAGIANTPENTAGRAM.

I wish I got History International. It seems they've moved all their good programming over there.

[Adrian II]

I wish I got History International. It seems they've moved all their good programming over there.

I rarely watch tv anymore and never enjoy it. I didn't know the History Channel broadcast such crap..

I remember at least some decent HC programs back in my tv days - that's ten years ago though.

*limps off*

[A Terribly Harmful Name]

Yep, I too remember it. Around 2002 when I first watched it, it was good - now it has gone down a lot.

[Beskar]

I was looking at application forms for positions related to the British Justice system, on the applications, they had this one question which just made me go "What the hell?".

"Are you a Freemason? Yes/No"

[Monk]

You forgot their doomsday programing, and their UFO conspiracies, and things that have nothing to do with history like their reality shows.

[Sheogorath]

You forgot their doomsday programing, and their UFO conspiracies, and things that have nothing to do with history like their reality shows.

Ugh. Ice Road Truckers makes me want to punch something. Especially when they run an ALL DAY MARATHON. I won't even get into Ax Men and the horror's its spawned on Discovery Channel.
SWAMP LOGGERS! ICE LOGGERS! ITS AX MEN, BUT IN A SWAMP!

[Csargo]

You forgot their doomsday programing, and their UFO conspiracies, and things that have nothing to do with history like their reality shows.

I stopped watching because of all that. The History Channel used to be pretty much the only channel I'd watch. Now I hardly watch any tv besides a few shows.

[Hosakawa Tito]

Don't forget the Skull & Bones Society at Yale. Even though the conspiracy theory is pretty far out there on the believability scale it is based on some historical facts, then mixed with large doses of fantasy. Besides it's good to know who your wackos are and what's on their mind. Not all the commentators in the program agree with the conspiracy theory, some refute it.

[Veho Nex]

I miss the WW2 fetishes... *cry*

[Louis VI the Fat]

I know my grand father was member of the back then most prestigious lodge, and was quite high-ranked (can't remember the exact name of it, Something something of Sion), as well as a member of the (back then) extremely powerful radical party. I pretty much doubt he was part of a judeo bolchevick satanic plot to take over the world and destroy religion.

Le Prieuré de Sion peurhaps? But that's an ultra-Catholic lodge, plotting against the Judeo-Bolchevik plot#to destroy religion.

However that may be, to quote Napoleon: c'est un tas d'imbéciles qui s'assemblent pour faire bonne chère et exécuter quelques folies ridicules.
('They are persons of limited intellect who gather for laffs and the execution of silly follies.')

[Devastatin Dave]

Expedition Africa.... uhg. Althoug the chick in it has some nice taters.
The History Channel sucks. I stopped watching it when they cancelled Decisive Battles.

[Meneldil]

Le Prieuré de Sion peurhaps? But that's an ultra-Catholic lodge, plotting against the Judeo-Bolchevik plot#to destroy religion.

However that may be, to quote Napoleon: c'est un tas d'imbéciles qui s'assemblent pour faire bonne chère et exécuter quelques folies ridicules.
('They are persons of limited intellect who gather for laffs and the execution of silly follies.')

The Prieuré de Sion has never existed except in the imagination of the madman who wrote about it and claimed to be a member. Dan Brown can keep on writing amateurish books about it, it won't make it a historical truth.

I'm talking about his ranks. I'm not an expert on Freemasonry, but among the many ranks of the French freemasonry (based on the Accepted Scottish Rite), I think a few use the word Sion. He was a member of the Grand Orient de France, which would hardly be an ultra-catholic lodge: it has been fighting the french Church more or less since the Revolution and had been labelled as the work of Satan by some Pope in the late 19th.

I also disagree with Napoleon's statement. Of course, french freemasonry became a joke between 1799 and 1870, mostly because the Emperors and Kings who ruled during this era did their best to infiltrate freemasonry with their own men. Cambacérès and Louis Murat became unofficial leaders of the french freemasonry respectively during the 1st and 2nd Empire.
Then, after 1870, freemasonry became a major political force in France (much more than it was in 1789, despite all the religious nutjobs claiming 1789 was the first step of a freemason plot). Most french public characters from the left and centre-left were member of one of the various lodges. The Radical Party and the Grand Orient de France were more or less the same thing. The socialist party was also strongly tied to freemasonry.
Though I don't agree at all with any conspiracy theory, it's pretty much a given that most of the laws on which the french republic is based (laïcité, separation of the church and state, the universal aim to improve Man and Society through education) are the work of 3 or 4 important french lodges.


Overall, claiming there's a vast freemason conspiracy is foolish. Each country has its own freemasonry (french freemasonry is deeply anti-religious, unlike British or American freemasonry). Some freemasons are catholics, some are protestants, some - as pointed out earlier - are jews, muslims, hindus or sikhs. Freemasonry is nowadays in Europe a lobby group with little power and a prestige that is slowly fading after each new scandal. Most of the freemasons I know (which is quite telling of the supposed secretive aspect of the group: many people keep bragging about their membership) are simply too stupid to be plotting to establish a New World Order tm.

[Crazed Rabbit]

The Prieuré de Sion has never existed except in the imagination of the madman who wrote about it and claimed to be a member. Dan Brown can keep on writing amateurish books about it

Oh, he will.

There is a big cabal involving many societies such as freemasonry in others which would focus its power on creating a New World, usually dictated under totalaritarian principles and even then, these forces fight amongst themselves in trying to produce this aim. Basically, it is like the "Hidden War" as on the surface, the ignorance of many is that it simply does not exist while to others, it is the whole of their existence, on many levels.

Right...

I saw on the television that the Buddist lodge fights the ultra-Catholic Sions over control of Central Asian oil and pipelines. It says so in the Chartres Cathedral labyrinth. The Sion lodge got you real good when they blew up those Buddha's in Afghanistan together with the Kabul Muslim Cabal.

Wait, there's some kind of underground religious war going on and I wasn't informed?!

CR

[Kurando]

Well, I don't make it any secret that I myself am a Freemason. For about 15 years or so I have belonged to Britannia Lodge #73, part of the Grand Lodge of British Columbia and Yukon.

I am not particularly well traveled in Masonry, but I am aquainted with many who are, (some of whom were WW2 vets), and I can honestly say that I have never heard anything that would point towards conspiracies involving Freemasons in WW2 or elsewhere. Moreover, an epic battle between Catholic/Jewish interests and Protestant Freemasons in Europe seems far-fetched to say the least.

Besides, I am a Buddhist, and I know quit a few Sikh's and even a few Muslims who are Freemasons, so who's side would we fight on if there ever was such a battle??

I am very proud to be a Mason, especially since we raise over one million dollars each day for our Shriners Children's Hospital and affiliated charities. But even so, if I ever caught wind of actual conspiracies, or of Freemasonry being used en mass to control things in a way that wasn't obviously benefiting of the entire world, I would resign from the Lodge.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Besides, I am a Buddhist, and I know quit a few Sikh's and even a few Muslims who are Freemasons, so who's side would we fight on if there ever was such a battle??

Easy.

I saw on the television that the Buddist lodge fights the ultra-Catholic Sions over control of Central Asian oil and pipelines. It says so in the Chartres Cathedral labyrinth. The Sion lodge got you real good when they blew up those Buddha's in Afghanistan together with the Kabul Muslim Cabal.

The Sikhs! Sikhs! Sikhs! lodge is a satanist cult.

[CountArach]

The best History Channel programs are the ones with the biblical doomsday prophecies. Usually around Easter.

[Hooahguy]

The best History Channel programs are the ones with the biblical doomsday prophecies. Usually around Easter.

did you catch the commercials for the "when humans are gone" show? reminds me of the Rainbow Six book, where

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

basically a bunch of lunatic scientists want to wipe out humanity (expect for themselves) so nature could regrow in places where humans had once been, with the images in my head of the possible outcome of the story if Rainbow failed looking a lot like the shots on that tv show.

i remember when the Battle BC series premiered a bunch of the historians at the EB forums were dissecting it and some of the errors it contained.
i also found it funny how the history channel can go so in depth of a battle in the bible (specifically when the Levites were commanded to kill the people who worshiped the golden calf) when only a few verses are ever attributed to that "battle" and then the historians started saying things like "the Levites were Moses's praetorian guard.

[Sheogorath]

did you catch the commercials for the "when humans are gone" show? reminds me of the Rainbow Six book, where

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

basically a bunch of lunatic scientists want to wipe out humanity (expect for themselves) so nature could regrow in places where humans had once been, with the images in my head of the possible outcome of the story if Rainbow failed looking a lot like the shots on that tv show.

i remember when the Battle BC series premiered a bunch of the historians at the EB forums were dissecting it and some of the errors it contained.
i also found it funny how the history channel can go so in depth of a battle in the bible (specifically when the Levites were commanded to kill the people who worshiped the golden calf) when only a few verses are ever attributed to that "battle" and then the historians started saying things like "the Levites were Moses's praetorian guard.

The History Channel, when it does actual historical programming, seems to have a strong bias towards whatever the 'main character' of the show is. For example, the 'Chinas First Emperor' show makes a big deal about how Shi Huangdi's army was half a million strong, larger than Napoleons, apparently.
Besides not being able to find any information on the size of Shi Huangdi's army, it seems the Grand Armee's size is estimated to be between 550,000 and 600,000. Napoleons force used in the invasion of Russia totaled some 700,000. The Russian army at the same time had almost a million men, at its peak.
The History Channel is entertainment, not education. Sadly, they seem to have dropped all presence at 'education' recently and shifted that over to History International, which you have to pay for :\

[Banquo's Ghost]

The Sikhs! Sikhs! Sikhs! lodge is a satanist cult.

Now that's worthy of maestro Gregoshi.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oh, I agree... as soon as they started doing religion program after religion program about the end of days.... That's not history. That's not even reality. It's fiction about the future, and poorly written at that. It belongs on the religion channels.

If they were doing a historical look at religion, that would be one thing. If they were talking about which movements shaped history, that's another. Religion is a major part of history and it should be studied and preserved as history. When religious belief about the future is marketed as history, or all these shows about Noah's Ark and other myths (involving zero science either for or against it) are being presented as history, I know they have sold out and simply become trash TV.

Even if they wanted to (taking the Noah story as an example) put forward a totally Biblical story and put a sympathetic slant on it, they could at least put up timelines and theories about when and where it happened. There's almost no educational value whatsoever. You might as well just have a dude reading from the Bible and call it religion, and not camouflage it as history.

[Rhyfelwyr]

There's not even any sort of consensus on the rapture idea in Christianity anyway, its just a US thing mostly. Anyway, we all know Jesus said the world would end on 21st December 2012...

The Independent Orange Order is the one I would be most likely to be involved with, they are stricter with the religious side and less on the fanciful ceremonies than the original Orange Lodge.

[Beskar]

I am not particularly well traveled in Masonry, but I am aquainted with many who are, (some of whom were WW2 vets), and I can honestly say that I have never heard anything that would point towards conspiracies involving Freemasons in WW2 or elsewhere. Moreover, an epic battle between Catholic/Jewish interests and Protestant Freemasons in Europe seems far-fetched to say the least.

Many of the important people were Freemasons, such as Hitler himself, and there are links between Freemasons in Germany and that of America, where is where Bush Jr's grandfather comes into place as his masonic lodge assisting Hitler.

This goes into other areas such as members of the Russian Communist party and others were Freemasons and received funding and finincal support for various things.

Also, why would those at the bottom know about the things at the top? The whole charity work can be seen as a front, while those at the top know what is really going on.

[Sarmatian]

This goes into other areas such as members of the Russian Communist party and others were Freemasons and received funding and finincal support for various things.

Members of the Russian communist party and "others", meaning those who are not members of the Russian communist party which is literally entire population of Russia, received funding for "various things" which include going to toilet, building bridges, buying Lego... The essence of conspiracy theories - anyone doing anything is potentially a Freemason (or Templar or Illuminati or Pokemon).

Narrow it down a bit, this as it is wouldn't work for a politician...

[Beskar]

It was a direct reference to the Bolshevik party and the politburo, I thought that would be obviously implied and not the Soviet Lego builders alliance. Funding as in overthrowing the Russian government and installing themselves as leaders.

[Sarmatian]

I've got it now. Not that I agree with you, but I understand what you're trying to say...

[Kurando]

Many of the important people were Freemasons, such as Hitler himself, and there are links between Freemasons in Germany and that of America, where is where Bush Jr's grandfather comes into place as his masonic lodge assisting Hitler.

This goes into other areas such as members of the Russian Communist party and others were Freemasons and received funding and finincal support for various things.

Also, why would those at the bottom know about the things at the top? The whole charity work can be seen as a front, while those at the top know what is really going on.

It is certainly true that many important people were Freemasons during the historical period 1939-1945. However, I have never heard any evidence whatsoever that Hitler (or any high ranking member of the Nazi party) was a Freemason. And I challenge you to document your statement from a reliable source. Nothing personal, but you are misinformed about this, and once you research it please have the character to stand corrected.

I get your point about "people at the top" not telling the "people on the bottom" what's actually happening, but it would be rather hard to fight a war without soldiers. Wouldn't the run-of-the-mill Masons (like myself) be soldiers? Also, it's hard to get people to fight unless you tell them what they're fighting for; by no means would it be imposible to manipulate me, but I certainly wouldn't fight in a Pseudo-Masonic war against people of a different attitudes or religions for the purpose of controling the world.

More importantly, as far as I can tell, (based on 15 years of experience), there are no "people at the top or bottom" in freemasonry; everyone is consider a brother and an equal. For example, I would not be at all intimidated to sit in lodge with a Prime Minster, a famous person, or whomever; I would just see them as a brother and an equal, and that's how they'd want to be seen. In 15 years I have never heard of a single case where someone at the "top" gave someone at the "bottom" an order. Moreover such a thing would be hard to justify because we don't follow leaders, rather, we follow our own principles, and the principles of the Masons whom I have had the honour of knowing lead us toward acts of charity and brotherhood, not toward acts of war, manipulation, or control.

[Sarmatian]

Moreover such a thing would be hard to justify because we don't follow leaders, rather, we follow our own principles, and the principles of the Masons whom I have had the honour of knowing lead us toward acts of charity and brotherhood, not toward acts of war, manipulation, or control.

Or that is what you want us to believe...

Hard to see the dark side is...

And now, seriously, have you ever had a chance to talk with a prime minister or someone powerful? Was there back-scratching ? And don't try to weasel out of the question, certainly your Org brothers are more important than some Masons...

[CountArach]

I would severely doubt that Hitler was a freemason on the grounds that Fascism and National Socialism saw the State as being the sole loyalty of the individual. Any outside loyalties were not tolerated except insofar as they were necessary for the survival of the regime. For an example see Franco's absolute obsession with rooting out Freemasonry in Spain.