KOTF OOC Thread

**ULC** · 09-08-2009, 08:40

I feel bored to tears right now

**econ21** · 09-08-2009, 10:25

Originally Posted by YLC

I feel bored to tears right now

These games are long hauls - typically lasting a year - so hang in there.

However, I will be glad to see Gaetan resurface - although I am not sure Hermant will be accepting any drinks from him.

**ULC** · 09-08-2009, 10:44

Originally Posted by econ21

These games are long hauls - typically lasting a year - so hang in there.

However, I will be glad to see Gaetan resurface - although I am not sure Hermant will be accepting any drinks from him.

Coward - shows how much you know Gaetan.

**econ21** · 09-08-2009, 10:46

Originally Posted by YLC

Coward - shows how much you know Gaetan.

I was trying to be humourous (a reference to the spiked ale). Hermant would be delighted to hear from Gaetan whenever he resurfaces.

**ULC** · 09-08-2009, 10:48

Originally Posted by econ21

I was trying to be humourous (a reference to the spiked ale). Hermant would be delighted to hear from Gaetan whenever he resurfaces.

I have a story that should be up soon, give you an idea of his current state of mind.

**_Tristan_** · 09-08-2009, 10:54

On a side note, a technicality : Antwerp has not yet been ratified by an Edict as it was German-held at the time of conquest, so technically, the Order has only been promised it... So does it enable the Captain of the Order to run for Senechal under the condition that Antwerp be ratified in this session of the Conseil ? Or does it disqualify him ?

I have no preference whatsoever.

**Ituralde** · 09-08-2009, 11:10

Bit of a clincher there.

Just had a look at the rules.
Hm, the way I read it, all provinces that weren't ratified through Edict 1.2 currently belong to no one. At least it isn't clearly specified in the rules itself. The fact that they only pass into the King's Demesne after they are ratified by an Edict means they are owned by someone else. If you read on the conqueror can refuse to give a ratified to the King. Which can mean that the province belongs to the conqueror until ratified. I believe King Phillip conquered Antwerp, so it would be his. The only question would be whether you can give away unratified provinces? The rules aren't too clear on the whole issue.

I think the spirit of the rule was that you can't do anything with the province until ratified. This would also put a questionmark on all the other unratified provinces Phillip has already given away. I think the best option would be to just let it stand and have it dealt with IC. The King decides on rule disputes, let him make a decision:

A: provinces can only be given away if ratified
B: provinces can be given away, even if that can lead to an unlanded Seneshal, who has to give up the unratified province he just got the position of Seneshal with.

or C. Whatever the King wants!

**econ21** · 09-08-2009, 11:19

Originally Posted by Tristan de Castelreng

On a side note, a technicality : Antwerp has not yet been ratified by an Edict as it was German-held at the time of conquest, so technically, the Order has only been promised it... So does it enable the Captain of the Order to run for Senechal under the condition that Antwerp be ratified in this session of the Conseil ? Or does it disqualify him ?

Um, I missed this subtlety.

I am little hazy on the game rules, but from what you had said earlier, I think Zim intended that the conqueror of the province owns it until it is ratified - at which point, it passes into the King's holdings and can be allocated. Applying that to Antwerp, I would say that Antwerp belonged to the King from the moment of conquest by virtue of his having personally conquered it. So he could allocate it prior to ratification. But I agree with the Ituralde, it's a grey area that it might be best to solve IC.

**Ignoramus** · 09-08-2009, 10:53

I think it will pick up in this Seneschal's term. First terms are typically quiet, without too much intrigue, mainly because not many people have land or power and rivalries have not yet developed.